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Offline FloridaCracker

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2011, 07:02:53 PM »
I don't know why anyone would go with the clones and take the risk?

This is the clone section of the forum, I'm just saying..... ???
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Offline Southern Forester

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2011, 09:31:01 PM »
Because the Tanfoglio departure from the original design is in many ways superior.  The Tanfoglio firing pin block is superior to CZ's and was introduce first (theirs lowers the block, reducing spring pressure while CZ's rises the block, increasing pressure, the result is the Tanfoglio design will always have an advantage in trigger quality out the gate).  Also, the Tanfoglio safety allows for cocked-and-locked, hammer down with safety off, or hammer down with safety on.  The CZ design only allows the safety to be engaged with the hammer back.  The Tanfoglio design also does without the CZ magazine brake, which is superfluous at best.

Now, CZ does still hold a firm place in my heart in 9mm, but the reality is that the Tanfoglio design improvements are actually superior to the original CZ design.  One can argue execution and I'll grant CZ quality is superb, but design is solidly in Tanfoglio's corner.  The proof of this is that every CZ-based design, save for early 1980's copies like the early AT-84, is based on the Tanfoglio improvements (even when they do not use Tanfoglio-made parts such as Sarsilmaz and ASAI).

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2011, 06:08:04 PM »
I obviously stand before a more educated man than myself. Good input and sound logic. I am more informed than before. I do like the support structure CZ has around their brand however. I have not seen that with the other products. Thanks Southern Forester.

Offline Southern Forester

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2011, 06:55:47 PM »
Again, I have a soft spot in 9mm for the original CZ.  I don't own a Tanfoglio in 9mm, but do own a CZ.  So, interestingly enough, in its original caliber, I went with the original over what I consider improvements (I do have a Jericho in 9mm with frame-mounted safety, but it is early with a magazine brake so the only real improvement is the safety - I purchased this one because it was acutally an Israeli-issued pistol and not a Magnum Research import).  My only departure came with bigger-bore pistols.

Offline eric0424

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2011, 11:17:28 PM »
Since the deals are out there and the CZ support is so good, I don't know why anyone would go with the clones and take the risk?

I am staying CZ!

All guns are good....just some gooder than others! Good luck all!

I feel the same way, I've got a friend looking for another pistol and he said nearly the exact same thing early last week.  After looking at several different 9's and 40's he decided a new CZ wasn't much more than the others he was considering so it's probably the path he's taking.  He would like to rent/shoot some of the pistols we searched through before buying though. 

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2011, 01:45:52 AM »
IMO, I'm fairly partial to the original small frame series 88 Tanfoglio's/Witnesses/P9's and CZ's when it comes to the 9mm Caliber and if the .40 were my thing, it would be the same for that..  To get this thread back on track, the AR24 qualifies as a small frame Tanfoglio design and I could see adding one to my "Practical Collection" at some point in time.

Now I do know of people who are doing well with the Large Frame Witness Matches in 9mm, but I'm not quite sold on them.  I would have to own/play with one for awhile to really get to know it, which probably is not in the cards at this point for me.  Some of you other characters out there who own them, are going to have to share your experiences with them.

Now when it comes to the .45 ACP, the Witness wins for me!!!
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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2011, 11:49:55 PM »
Since the deals are out there and the CZ support is so good, I don't know why anyone would go with the clones and take the risk?

Because I already HAVE a CZ75B stainless, a CZ85B, a Springfield Armory P9, a TZ75/88 and now an Armalite, that's why.

It's this little hobby called "gun collecting."

Surely you've heard of it.

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Offline Southern Forester

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2011, 06:24:24 AM »
CZ's support is good - as long as the warranty exists.  My CZ-75 is already well-beyond it's warranty expiration date.  I have zero warranty support for it now.  I'm not worried about that personally, but I own my firearms longer than 5 years.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2011, 12:56:11 PM »
It's this little hobby called "gun collecting."

Surely you've heard of it.


Yes I have. I admire any man or woman that does it. Not trying to downgrade any decision any have made. Maybe I did not express myself well. That said, I just picked up a CZ P01 from the classifieds section for $400 which included 250 rounds of ammo!

What has been your experience with the Tangfolio pistol?

Offline Southern Forester

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2011, 01:36:00 PM »
Mine has been excellent.  Ditto for CZ products, though I have consistently found that Tanfoglio triggers are considerably better.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2011, 07:43:10 PM »
I agree regarding the "small frame" Tanfoglios.  I have "regular" sized hands and the original CZ/TZ sized frames fit my hand perfectly.  I'm lucky to own a baby TA90, TZ75/series 88 40SW, Mossad "baby" 9mm and a P9 and I love the way they fit in my hand. 

Never could get into the new Witness sized pistols because the grip is just alittle to large for me to be happy.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2011, 03:41:09 PM »
Good for you clone guys............staying CZ! Good luck!

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2012, 05:03:56 PM »
I wish I had gotten the adjustable sighted model
Why, were the fixed sights significantly off?  I wouldn't mind having the adjustable sights, but I don't think that I'd like the grip on the Tactical model.  I'm still debating which way to go.

Offline Jessie James 58

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2012, 06:27:29 PM »
Both the CZ and Witness pistols are GREAT pistols. I also must agree that the NEW Witness triggers are smoother "out of the box" than the NEW CZ,s. But that is is easy to fix.