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Offline tensionandtorque

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Female Home Protection...
« on: December 31, 2010, 12:17:03 PM »
Hey there ladies...I am an urban dweller and recently had a woman I know murdered in her home while her fiance had stepped out for all of about 45min. Since then I am constantly asked what weapon makes the best for home defense, especially for women. I am a woman myself and because I am familiar with guns, and shoot often I use the CZ75B as my defense weapon, however many of my girl friends do not have shooting experience (which I personally attempt to rectify and take them to the range) and don't go out often. So my question is what would you recommend for home defense for the less than an avid shooter? I know there is a bit of personal preference I am just curious to know what you all use and recommend.

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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 01:25:09 PM »
I'm not female, but my grown daughter still shoots with me and I help select and maintain her gear.

I would not automatically gravitate toward smaller packages. While most folks are quick to suggest something dainty "just because", my daughter actually does substantially better with a heavier gun for several reasons.

First, the smaller guns might be easier to *hold* in some ways, but are usually harder to *shoot*, due to more pronounced reaction with recoil and muzzle flip.

A heavier gun tends to stay on target better during both the trigger squeeze and recoil, which promotes the feeling of better control (and control IS better). My daughter started out shooting three-gun competitions with my P-01 and did OK, but going to an SP-01 Tactical (practically identical gun but bigger/heavier) both improved her raw scores AND reduced her elapsed time.

The other reason is functional reliability and heavier guns frequently being more forgiving of operator error. With light guns, even slightly limp-wristing the gun during recoil will often produce short stroking and related malfunctions. A gun with a heavier frame relies less on wrist tension and is thus more forgiving.

With shooting under stress, we often forget some of the simple little items on our mental checklist that we might usually think of. A firm, high grip is just one of these things. Practice and training overcome this, but not everyone wishing to be able to defend themselves are avid shooters, and they may or may not wish to invest any more practice into it than is required to actually fire the handgun. As a shooting instructor (and dad) I see this sort of problem a lot.

One great example of this is that we often shoot aluminum cased CCI Blazer 115s in practice and action pistol matches. It runs flawlessly in four or five CZs we run for various stuff. Blazers do have a colored reputation and not all guns like them. In prep for a match, my daughter and I each fired several hundred rounds of this cheap ammo through a pair of identical SP-01 Tacticals without a hitch. During the match, my daughter had several FTFs that the RO quickly blamed on the "crap ammo". The following weekend, we shot the same pistols and same ammo again in practice, and in several hundred rounds neither of us had one problem. The entire issue was caused by match pressure/distractions and simply forgetting to grip the gun. The good news is that she is getting quite proficient in clearing malfs under pressure.  ;D

The only other thing I would offer is the suggestion to keep operation as simple as possible.

I normally recommend a .357 revolver to females who wish to be prepared but do not want an advanced degree in handgunning, due to it's extremely simple "point & click" operation. Another very distinct advantage of a revolver is the need for hand strength and dexterity is not nearly so great as is required for a semi-auto, most notably effort required to rack the slide. Many people, not necessarily women, have difficulty fully cycling the slide, and this problem is exacerbated by smaller semi-autos in larger calibers with their reduced gripping areas and heavy recoil springs. In a defensive gun, we must always be prepared to remedy a malfunction, and that will almost always involve fully cycling the slide in a semi-auto.

I personally lean toward DA semi-autos for my own concealed carry firearm and our home defense guns for exactly the simplicity - not a lot of controls to freak out over, just point and shoot. Again, training and practice overcome most of these issues, IF one trains and practices.
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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 04:56:50 PM »
Some really good advice in the post above. I teach NRA basic pistol and concealed pistol classes and I periodically have one or more female students show up with a Smith and Wesson Scandium .357 that some crook sold them because "it looks so little".

The most recent one was in her 70s. She not only bought the .357, she also bought .357 ammo and a laser. After the first three shots she couldn't keep the laser on a 9 inch paper plate at 7 yards since she was shaking so hard. After the first 5 rounds we set her up with a .22. She was headed back to the gun shop the next day.

Generally, .38 or 9mm is the minimum size for defensive rounds. I would not recommend .380 because it is usually a straight blow-back design which is harder to control than a 9mm.

Oh, and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. Think about setting up a league to get together once a month and practice. Women are excellent at supporting each other - better than men IMHO.   

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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 05:12:52 PM »
Home defense sidearm for a first timer? Smith 357 mag 3 inch tube, load with 38 specials only. Extra weight will help recoil. Then again, there is nothing a good police trade in 4 inch Smith 38 Special revolver can't do for a beginning, especially if you get some Crimson Trace Lasergrips on it. Low recoil, easy manual of arms, reliable and dependable. Would I carry one? Yes, and I have.
BUT, the single best piece of advice anyone can possibly give is, "find a range that rents, pick up the rentals 'till you feel one that feels like a extension of your arm, then rent it and try it out." Rinse and repeat.


Wish more ranges had CZ rentals....

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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 05:35:14 PM »
tensionandtorque,
If you have not already done so, may I suggest you visit corneredcat.com.  There is a lot of good information.

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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 06:26:30 PM »
That is a fun site thank you...and thank you all for the good information!

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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 08:20:52 PM »
To put it in perspective, I was bound and determined to get my wife into a revolver, same as noted above. She tried, but no matter what grips we used, she developed blisters after 50 rounds. She thought my pistols were too big and loud, until she actually tried one, and after 4 revolvers and 4 autos, she LOVES her RAMI 9mm. The shooter needs to be part of the shooting system, and pushing your likes/dislikes on them might throw that off. Inform, but never cajole, or you might go broke replacing guns...

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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2011, 08:35:41 PM »
NOT trying to start a HD caliber debate: however.. something some CAN shoot effectively is better than something someone is scared to use b/c of recoil..

my wife is geeked to try out my Ket tech PMR-30 .22 mag which is an auto w/ 30 rnds in magazine.. thats a lot of little pills to shoot. effectively!   

just a thought!
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Re: Female Home Protection...
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 08:38:36 PM »
PS.

also has a LaserMax Uni Red attached to P rail.. no brainer to point, tap switch, shoot..
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