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Offline Cosmij82

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Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« on: March 07, 2011, 12:41:44 AM »
I was at the range when all of a sudden my P01's trigger
failed to reset. Dead in the water. I had to literally push
the trigger forward with my fingertip just to have it reset.
Of course, I stopped firing. I later noticed that cocking the
hammer resets the trigger
, but racking the slide does not.

What gives? What's the difference between manually cocking
the hammer and racking the slide (which cocks the hammer,
but in this case does not reset the trigger)?

When I disassembled the gun, I saw that there was a tiny,
almost needle-thick part of the spring that I later found out
to be part #8, Trigger Return Spring, laying on the frame
interior (dust cover area). Since that's the spring that broke,
I surmise that it's the (only?) part I need to replace. But it only
cost $7.50, and shipping would probably cost more.

Now, my question is what other parts should I order and replace.
just to maximize the shipping charges? Can I put in a CZ 85
combat trigger to replace the factory trigger? Should I also get
the combat(?) hammer?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. This P01 is practically
new (bought last Christmas as a gift to myself) and it sucks
that a part should break after firing only a thousand rounds
(of WWB at that!).
 >:(

Offline Mr. Sasquatch

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 05:51:15 AM »
Call CZ-USA, they should send you a new spring at no charge. When my P-01 recoil spring broke into two parts after about 3500 rounds (~7 months) I called them and had a new spring three days later.

Offline bang bang

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 08:19:35 AM »
bummer.

would you feel better if the spring broke at 1001 rounds?  maybe 2000 rounds?

life sucks.

get over it.  buy or call CZ and get a new one.  maybe they will send you one for free.  move on. 

CZ are mechanical devices and ANYTHING on them can FAIL at ANYTIME. 




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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 10:11:30 AM »
would you feel better if the spring broke at 1001 rounds?  maybe 2000 rounds?

I only mentioned the number of rounds I've fired through the gun because I keep reading in this forum that CZ guns should break-in nicely at around 1,000 rounds. But my gun broke, instead.

If you took the time and effort to write a reply, you could have just answered my questions (such as "is there any other part I should order, just to maximize the shipping charges?") instead of this failed attempt at humor(?)/sarcasm.

If you really read my post, you would have noted that I am resigned to buying a replacement spring, so you didn't have to tell me something I already knew (such as mechanical things breaking).

I wrote this post in the hope that I will get some recommendations on what other replacement parts I need to order for my P01. A smart-alecky reply, I can definitely do without. But then again, some folks wake up on the wrong side of the (wrong?) bed and choose to be nasty. Thank you for your time, anyway, and have a nice day!
« Last Edit: March 07, 2011, 10:16:41 AM by Cosmij82 »

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 10:23:43 AM »
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would you feel better if the spring broke at 1001 rounds?  maybe 2000 rounds?

Actually he probably would have preferred that it didn't break at all - especially it being  the  P-01.

Cosmij83 - I'm not much good at suggesting changes to the P-01. I like mine in the original configuration but if you are considering some changes, why don't you call CZ Custom and see what they have to offer. They will fix the trigger spring and do a trigger job (or whatever) all in one job order.

Sorry I can't help more.

Offline Stuart

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 01:17:55 PM »
other spare parts or replacement parts I would buy

solid firing pin retaining pin
extractor
extractor spring
solid trigger pin
two trigger return springs

Offline Cosmij82

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2011, 02:14:17 PM »
Actually he probably would have preferred that it didn't break at all - especially it being  the  P-01.

Precisely my sentiment! The thought that the spring could break
in the midst of a self-defense sittuation sends shivers down my spine...
a concern that's one of the reasons I brought this subject up.

Thank you, and to the others who offered constructive comments
and recommendations, as well.

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2011, 08:55:05 PM »
i think i had a similar experience recently. during a range session my trigger failed to reset and i had to push the trigger forward. the things is after doing this everything seemed fine again. i shot another 150 rounds that same session without any problems but its bothering me. when i got home, i cleaned the gun and i tried everything to see if it would happen again. is it possible that the trigger just got stuck?
i didn't bring it to my gunsmith coz i couldn't figure out what happend and what to tell him until i read this thread. i'll shoot another 200 rounds and see if it will happen again.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2011, 09:02:26 PM by TTPower »

Offline HorribleShooter

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 05:51:43 PM »
I had mine break a few weeks ago. This is my second time having that problem. First one happened just around 1000-1500 round mark. and about 8000 rounds after that it broke again.

I'm going to have it fixed, but I don't think I will trust it to keep me safe.

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 06:31:16 PM »
Not inspiring, but then again....

I've started putting between 300-500rds downrange every Thursday night with my Kadet conversion sitting on my P-01 frame and so far so good.  I calculate roughly 4-5k rounds now with no issues and the trigger return spring is getting used the same as if I were burning 9mm.  Coming from a Gov't model 1911 that lacks 'em, these little wire springs have got me a little worried.  I know the reputation of the 75 and I also know that ANY pistol, regardless of make or model can have a hiccup.  For me, it's a matter of likelihoods based on the experiences of others, and on my own, with my particular pistol.  

Another huge factor to me is the response from the manufacturer when a failure is encountered outside of a normal "wearing out"...Cosmij82, you started this thread several weeks ago.  What's the word back from Cz?
« Last Edit: March 29, 2011, 06:36:33 PM by Czechplease »

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 09:03:13 PM »
Are CZ trigger springs a problem or are these just isolated instances??

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 10:34:26 PM »
Another huge factor to me is the response from the manufacturer when a failure is encountered outside of a normal "wearing out"...
Cosmij82, you started this thread several weeks ago.  What's the word back from Cz?

= I ended up buying a new spring...and found it very difficult to install.
A couple of components within the frame (sear pack and trigger assembly)
had to be removed (along with pins that are hard to push out/in as well)
just to replace that tiny spring. I tried replacing the spring without removing
the components described above. It was frustrating and required infinite
patience...which I did not have.

Not being knowledgeable at all about CZ gunsmithing I just decided to have a
trigger modification job done by someone who knows (Stuart, of this forum).
The installation of the return spring was part of the job. And my P01 is a better
gun now, after all the mods have been done.

BUT the concern is there that when the spring breaks again (as it will,
eventually), I will have to send it back to Stuart once more. Or to CZ Customs.
Which is why I'm thinking of selling the P01, while the spring still isn't broken.
Because it's going to be just a POS when that little spring breaks down again.  :-\

Offline Stuart

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 10:46:17 PM »
I think you hear a lot about broken trigger return springs, cause that is what we do on forums. We tend to bring up things that are problematic, things that need to be modified, fixed whatever.
there are thousands of CZs out there in the world that the TRS that are not broken.

anyway.. I have heard people say that a little grease or oil the spring is a good thing. Also I pull some tension off the spring so that it is not working so hard.
I have yet to break a TRS ( *knock on wood*)  in thousands and thousands of dryfires and thousands and thousands of rounds livefire on various CZs.

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 10:52:53 PM »
I have yet to break a TRS ( *knock on wood*)  in thousands and thousands of dryfires and thousands and thousands of rounds livefire on various CZs.

But my greatest concern about the TRS is that it may break
during a self-defense situation, when lives are on the line.  :-\

Of course, if we're talking about "tough luck," a hundred other
malfunctions could happen to a gun in life-or-death moments...

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Re: Broken Trigger Return Spring, After Only 1,000 rounds?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 11:13:36 PM »
true..but I have seen Glocks break trigger springs, have seen 1911 lock up tight, seen revolver cylinders get stuck.
guns are mechanical and break..you got to get back into the fight as best as you can.