Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial

[th3ug1y0n3]

Sorry, had to do something after burley's version of Kumbaya.

As for the song choice it was just a simple song to help during a complex time. 

[burley]

I just saw some sweet irony in a longing for all things American on an exotic gun site.  Then, a call to imprison a freedom singer.    One cool thing about Kumbaya is, you're always on key.   How cool is that?


Back OT, that Reuters artical seemed spot on after reading all the others.  From the interviews with the neighbors to the discription of the penman ship.

[Thor™]

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I don't care if Zimmerman was following the kid.  The LE came to a conclusion the night of the incident  and that should have been enough.

I have always respected that "dead men tell no tales", it's worked well since inception , but as far as the LEO's conclusion being enough, I have much less faith in the system and those that "protect" us. With the exception of the media fiasco, I have more faith in 12 people getting it more right than wrong than I do in just leaving it up to the LEOs, especially in a killing. Integrity, politics, patronage, money, bias, fatigue and laziness always factor into every decision we make on a daily basis.

[Spirit 1]

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I don't care if Zimmerman was following the kid.  The LE came to a conclusion the night of the incident  and that should have been enough.

I have always respected that "dead men tell no tales", it's worked well since inception , but as far as the LEO's conclusion being enough, I have much less faith in the system and those that "protect" us. With the exception of the media fiasco, I have more faith in 12 people getting it more right than wrong than I do in just leaving it up to the LEOs, especially in a killing. Integrity, politics, patronage, money, bias, fatigue and laziness always factor into every decision we make on a daily basis.

No doubt that's a very valid thought. Sort of similar to the activities involved in CCW, of always being completely aware of your surroundings to prevent the worst from even happening in the first place.

[Spirit 1]

30 blacks in a mob scene beat 2 white newspaper reporters, a man & woman: classified as 'Simple Assault' by police, their own newspaper doesn't even report it! Simple Assault? No HATE crime? Naw, perish the thought...

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/uncategorized/reporters-beaten-by-mob-of-blacks-and-their-newspaper-stayed-silent.html

May well be a foreshadowing, one of many, of what we will see in the near and ongoing future as blacks, angered and stirred up by Sharpton, Jackson, Wright & Obama 'Retaliate' against whites for the actions of an hispanic/black/white guy reportedly defending himself against a black man's assault?

[DenStinett]

Sorry, that report was incorrect !
That group of poor, under privileged, citizens of color, did NOT attack and / or assault the two white reporters?..NO ! !
They simply broke down and lashed out, after holding back the frustration from years of oppression at the hands of those rich, over baring, white racist bigots ! ! !

Just an observation

Where?s the ?Sarcasm Font? when you need one ? ! ?

[armoredman]

Let's tone it down gents, keep it to the case at hand. I'm guilty too, but we do need to stay focused.

[Spirit 1]

We've all being cheated, used, manipulated by this environment of wicked, selfish propaganda. Lies, frauds and misrepresentations undermine all that is good and hurt us all and every day. Who will answer the call? Who will step forward to take up the burden of changing this insanity, breaking the cycle and restoring goodness, decency and community among men in America? We as committed Americans loving this land of Freedom, individual Rights and Opportunity are the only ones who can do it, you and me, and the time is NOW!

We need to cause noisy but peaceful demonstrations in the streets of America, loud aggressive marches of 1,000's, even millions of American brothers and sisters of every race, color and origin side by side shouting, singing, waving banners of unity. Loudly marching with arms linked together in fellowship and a common bond: as men and women proclaiming character and decency, morals and ethics, as equal fellow Americans, brothers and sisters dedicated to that which is good!

Strip those lies naked in public, shove those words of wicked selfishness right back down the throats of frauds that utter them, prove them as the selfish liars they are! Take back and give back America to the People, the common and equal People. Show to all the world our wonderful land as the heart and soul of personal Rights, in Freedom for all. Shout out the exciting opportunity for spectacular personal achievement through our own honest labors, working together, side by side. Make known again the United States of America as that glorious shining jewel of man's greatest achievement in personal Freedom, unity of Fellowship, individual Rights and oneness of purpose that has ever been known in the history of mankind!

Our forefathers gave their possessions, their blood and their very lives to fight for this most wonderful land, to hand it down to us as their gift. It's time to shout out some thanks and stand and march in their place once again!

[Dave Workman]

We've all being cheated, used, manipulated by this environment of wicked, selfish propaganda. Lies, frauds and misrepresentations undermine all that is good and hurt us all and every day. Who will answer the call? Who will step forward to take up the burden of changing this insanity, breaking the cycle and restoring goodness, decency and community among men in America? We as committed Americans loving this land of Freedom, individual Rights and Opportunity are the only ones who can do it, you and me, and the time is NOW!

We need to cause noisy but peaceful demonstrations in the streets of America, loud aggressive marches of 1,000's, even millions of American brothers and sisters of every race, color and origin side by side shouting, singing, waving banners of unity. Loudly marching with arms linked together in fellowship and a common bond: as men and women proclaiming character and decency, morals and ethics, as equal fellow Americans, brothers and sisters dedicated to that which is good!

Strip those lies naked in public, shove those words of wicked selfishness right back down the throats of frauds that utter them, prove them as the selfish liars they are! Take back and give back America to the People, the common and equal People. Show to all the world our wonderful land as the heart and soul of personal Rights, in Freedom for all. Shout out the exciting opportunity for spectacular personal achievement through our own honest labors, working together, side by side. Make known again the United States of America as that glorious shining jewel of man's greatest achievement in personal Freedom, unity of Fellowship, individual Rights and oneness of purpose that has ever been known in the history of mankind!

Our forefathers gave their possessions, their blood and their very lives to fight for this most wonderful land, to hand it down to us as their gift. It's time to shout out some thanks and stand and march in their place once again!

Is there an "Amen, Brothers!" to that ?

 

[Twmaster]

Amen Brothers!

I'm just glad this has gone from a boil to a simmer. I did not see it reported here but earlier this week Mr. Zimmerman's lawyer requested a postponement.

Basically at this point Zimmerman has waived his right to a swift trial. I cannot help but wonder if this says anything about his legal team's hopes/intentions on a dismissal based on Mr. Zimmerman's self defense claim.

Of course I may be reading far too much into that bit of news.

[armed hiker]

I fear that if he gets a dismissal the race baiters will be out in full force once again. As much as I hate to say it Without a trial with real grownups running the show Zimmerman will be in more danger.  If he is guilty t needs to be proven, If not then it needs to be proven as well.  I had believed this was just the very reason stand your ground laws were enacted to protect shooter in LAWFUL engagements (still to be proven here.).

[Twmaster]

Well that is a real fear. And not just from the race baiters either.

I had not wanted to repeat this but a very close friend back home is an 8th grade math teacher in a in a very large city public school system. The word from his kids is there -will- be unrest if Zimmerman goes free. I cannot detail more as I really don't want to cause too much alarm.

[DenStinett]

Don?t worry about it Mike
The sad truth is;
The only thing that will keep the peace will be a guilty verdict
Even if he is acquitted by a jury of 12 people of color, the ?Race Baiters? will still scream foul
No matter how you cut it, this whole thing defines FUBAR

[Twmaster]

Medical report cooroborates Zimmerman's claims of self defense

http://news.yahoo.com/abc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-204911351--abc-news-topstories.html

"...Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation."

He also had bruising to his upper lip.

[DenStinett]

Interesting that this article states that Zimmerman drew his Weapon, only after Martin seemed to make a move on it too
I guess if Martin would have been faster, and got to the Gun first, we?d never hear a single thing more about this