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Offline Nko51

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Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« on: April 13, 2012, 08:35:28 AM »
Tough Tests

The P-01 was accepted after almost three years of testing and development. What CZ did to win the bid is something that few (how about zero?) designs have ever had to go through before greeting the buying public. For a military gun, sure, but in this case, the general public gets the same gun, same design and same specs as the police and military.

For instance, according to the information supplied by CZ, the gun had to withstand 4,000 dry-firings, 3,000 de-cockings, operator-level disassembly and re-assembly 1,350 times, complete disassembly (all the way down to pins and springs) 150 times, 100-percent parts interchangeability, a 1.5 meter drop test (54 times) on concrete, three meter drop test, firing after being frozen at -36 F for 24 hours, firing after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations--and after having been stripped of all oil. The service life must exceed 15,000 rounds of P 9mm ammo and indeed, testing revealed the P-01 has exceeded 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

The reliability requirement protocol was particularly astounding. Set at 98.8 percent (.2 percent) failure rate, this was tough-enough for any gun. This equals 20 stoppages per 10,000 rounds, or 500 "mean rounds between failures" (MRBF). During testing, the average number of stoppages was only seven per 15,000 rounds, or .05 percent failure rate. This translates to a MRBF rate of 2,142 rounds. That happens to be about five times the minimum acceptable rate for the U.S. Army, which is set at 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 gr. ball ammo. The bottom line here is the fact this appears to be a rugged, highly reliable design, despite its small size and alloy frame. With this kind of testing history--and our own shooting experiences with the P-01--we think it should be a breeze for it to hold-up to anything a civilian shooter could dish at it.
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Offline Spirit 1

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 12:20:57 PM »
Thanks for that! CZ was just getting dumped on at another forum by a dipso who knew NOTHING about them. I'd love to post this info there to wise up the uninformed as to the extreme quality and dependability of CZ firearms! Can you give a source for the info? Thanks!

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 02:50:47 PM »
in that case, here is more refined form of the above:



The P-01 is a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

Must be able to complete the following without failure:

4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.


Safety requirements:

Drop test
1.5 meter (4.9') drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

3meter drop (9.8') 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at ?35C (-36F).
The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

Service life:
The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

Reliability:
The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that?s a .2% failure rate.
This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 ?Mean Rounds Between Failure? (MRBF)
During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.


Heritage:
The P-01 is based on the CZ 75, the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.

SOURCE
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-http://www.cz-usa.com/press-releases/102/
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Offline Spirit 1

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 02:53:04 PM »
Cool, Coolbox, thanks! I was just posting to that thread mentioned when you ran this up! Headed back to educate the masses.....good timing.

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 04:20:18 PM »
You guys do know that those tests have nothing to do with NATO, right?  I have a p-01, love it, and carry it everyday.  Just don't want people to misconstrue what is being said about NATO Serials numbers, and the tests that the Czech national police required for their service pistol.
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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 04:57:48 PM »
The press release kind of talks about two things.
1. The P01 is a Nato stock item. Here is the NATO FAQ on how to get your item listed. http://www.nato.int/structur/ac/135/faq/faq-e.htm
The NSN is an international recognized inventory for countries of NATO.

2. the Czech National police asked for a tough testing standard that was above the standard CZUB tests of handguns.

so basically the P01 passed the tough testing and was cataloged into the  NATO stocking system.

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 10:11:06 PM »
Thanks for clarifying, Stuart!

As a matter of fact I stumbled when I said 'NATO testing' and wondered for a second, then went ahead and posted it anyway, my stupid mistake!

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 10:25:24 PM »
I have quit trying to talk to MOST people about CZ pistols. They are stuck on things they hear most often.

What I find funny is the Glock vs XD people, seems if they own one, they bad mouth the other.
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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 10:33:27 PM »
Well it's sort of a two edged sword. The more people that find out what terrific firearms are made by CZ the more likely the price will go up, and demand will go up, and availability go down! It's already happening...

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 10:28:49 AM »
Well it's sort of a two edged sword. The more people that find out what terrific firearms are made by CZ the more likely the price will go up, and demand will go up, and availability go down! It's already happening...

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2013, 11:19:02 AM »
i would love to see more results from other countries or have a list of places that use it other than the adhoc ones on forums... anything but this regurgitated czech police testing... its awesome yea but convincing someone that a company closely tied to its state has untampered with results is hard. glock jocks will always call foul play with the czech police testing results
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Offline valle07

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2013, 12:20:36 PM »
I regret having to sell my CZ P01 but I needed the money for my son's surgery. One day it will be back with me... one day.

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Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2013, 07:43:22 PM »
I own a 1990 pre-B 75 and I love it. Had a P-01 in my hand, went home to think about it. Big mistake.

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2014, 03:10:16 AM »
i wonder how they got it to fire without oil.

i degreased mine as part of thorough cleaning and it locked up tighter than a drum. can't remember what part it was, but the lack of lube prevented it from firing.

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Re: Original CZ P-01 test requirement for NATO
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2014, 10:50:16 AM »
I have quit trying to talk to MOST people about CZ pistols. They are stuck on things they hear most often.

What I find funny is the Glock vs XD people, seems if they own one, they bad mouth the other.

They can have their Glock's and XD's. I don't care for a striker fired plastic pistol. I'll take my P-01 every time!!! And mine is stock.