Role of CZ in Bullseye Handgun Competition?

[Skookum]

Everything I've seen so far indicates CZ is a formidable player in the combat handgun competition game, but I've seen no mention of its role in conventional, bullseye handgun shooting.  CZ has a reputation for being inherently accurate.  CGW is offering an accurized 97, and CZCS is offering an Accu Shadow.  Are people using CZs in bulleye competition.  If so, how are they doing?  If not, why not?

[coolbox]

The informal competitions could have plenty of CZs. But most formal competitions (ISSF approved) are either in .22LR caliber, or big bore (.32S&W preferred). The professional weapons are also the ones that you see in Olympics mostly, dominated by Walther GSP Expert/SSP, models from Hamerli, Pardini, Benelli, and even Baikal etc. CZ does not have a product line for those competitions. However, in informal big bore (.32 or above) competitions, a good CZ75 variant (75 SA, Shadow Target, TS with adjustable sights etc) would be hard to beat, unless one is using

-.32S&W Long revolver, or any other revolver
-SIG P210
-Tuned/Custom/Match 1911s
-SIG P226 x6
-HK mk23
-HK USP variants (elite, match etc)
-CZ Clones, the better ones

Then, it depends alot on the shooter. I primarily shoot bulls eye, and while not very good, below are some of my best with CZ variants (I keep posting them all over this forum, you see, I am very excited of what I ended up with on these better days of shooting!)


Distance:          25mtrs (27.5yds)
Grip/stance:      Double hand grip, unsupported, standing.
Shooting Hand: Right



The SP01 was shooting an inch to the right, even in the test target. Infact, I managed to better the test target in group size by 10mm! The above group is just around 2".


Distance:          25mtrs (27.5yds)
Grip/stance:      One hand grip, unsupported, standing. (Olympic style!)
Shooting Hand: Right






The above 181, with a some more practice and hard work (or by a top level shooter), could be stretched to close to 187-188, specially if were to use hand loads. I have used Chinese Norinco +p 115gr 9mm for both above. The same, with a revolver, or a .22LR/.32S&W match pistol and match ammo could cross 190 easily, with recoil (or lack of it) being one of the major factors. These are fixed barrel, and definitely more accurate than any other type of auto out there.

[coolbox]

Further, in rapid fire type bulls eye competition, bigger bores/calibers stand no chance.

[Skookum]

From what I understand, there are three categories of bullseye competition sanctioned by the NRA:  .22 rimfire, centerfire, and .45.  Further, I gather that most competition bullseye guns are semi-autos these days.  I've read that the goal of a bullseye pistolsmith is a gun that will deliver 2-in groups at 50 yd (from a rest).  Is this a standard that accurized CZs can meet?

I can see where a pistol of smaller caliber than 9 Luger might have an advantage in the centerfire category, due to less recoil.

[coolbox]

NRA might have different categories (which I am not aware of, not being in US) than ISSF , but centrefire is basically the big bore/caliber that I was referring to.

2" at 50yd without match barrels, or hand fitted barrels in CZs, will be very very difficult. The platform is there, right up there, but would require better barrel to slide fitting (bushing as well as lugs) and probably more accurate barrels. Currently, I would believe off the shelf CZ75 variant would make 3-3.5" groups, with some pieces going down to 2.5" at best.

[Skookum]

My source as to the three categories: http://www.bullseyepistol.com/comp.htm.  The .45 can be used as a centerfire-category handgun.

My source as to desired precision: http://www.bullseyepistol.com/cstomgun.htm.  The 2-in standard is attained with a match barrel.

[jameslovesjammie]

I grew up shooting Bullseye informally at a small town pistol club.  I shot almost exclusively with Old guys, and often got my but whooped.  If you wanted to be competitive, you were shooting a .38 Special, typically a S&W with a 6" barrel.  Ammo was always a 148 grain HBWC with 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye seated flush with the casemouth with a slight roll crimp.  I saw quite a few really good groups at 25 yards.  We never shot at 50 because our range only went to 25.