CZ 75B full auto?

[CeZar]

I am not trolling. I was just at a gun shop sale today ready to buy a cz 75b, when the salesman talked me out of it, I believe, unintentionally. I have been lusting after this pistol since I started doing research on what would make a best first 9mm and after handling it - fell in love.

This particular one had a wee bit of side to side slide-frame play, whereas another I tested before did not. He explained to me that these pistols will all get looser between the frame and slide after a few hundred rounds and then continue to get sloppier. He mentioned the Shadow (which correct me if I'm wrong, is almost identical to the cz 75b less 1 saftey and a heavier nose). Mentioning that IPSC guys who use the Shadow and go through 10,000 rounds a year will sometimes go through 2 or 3 of those pistols during that time - alluding to a typical lifespan of less than 4000 rounds. I asked if other brands were like this - he said that these were probably the most notorious for short lifespans.

Finally, he mentioned that he has personally witnessed on more than one occasion the Shadow enter a full auto burst for a few rounds and an IPSC event - caused by wear of some parts apparently.

I left unhappily because I have not held another pistol to this date that feels as good as the 75b does. This guy works at a gun shop full time and seems to hang out at IPSC events, so I took what he said seriously. I'm just starting to get into this hobby guns are more expensive where I live than in the US so buying another when it wears out after 4000 rounds is not appealing. Does anyone know anything about what the salesman told me?

[Grendel]

Yep. it was bullsh!t.

[CeZar]

It all seemed a bit much to me too, but why would a guy who works at a gun shop say that about products he's selling? Unless he has a personal distaste for this particular line for some reason - he was just a salesman and not an owner.

[ZTATactical]

Yep. it was bullsh!t.

+1

[Grendel]

It all seemed a bit much to me too, but why would a guy who works at a gun shop say that about products he's selling? Unless he has a personal distaste for this particular line for some reason - he was just a salesman and not an owner.

Who knows why people do what they do. We've all met the Glock and 1911 Fanbois who believe every other firearm is junk.

[1SOW]

It actually is bull!@##.
I've known sellers and smiths that might prefer other pistols, but never heard that kind of crap.
At 4000 rds a Shadow is just nicely broken in.  My son has one I periodically put a few hundred rds through. 

FWIW, my 75B has about 60,000 9mm rds through it.  I shoot well over 1000rds/month (IN THIS PISTOL alone), which is not much at all compared to active competitors. 

 
(Thanks Widge )

[CeZar]

How tight have your pistols stayed slide to frame?

[1SOW]

Due to the full length steel rails inside the steel frame,  in my limited experience, 75 slides stay very snug and very smooth running. 
Does mine show "wear"?  You bet!:  finish rubs from being holstered and drawn thousands of times and Dings by this rank amateur smith. 
I have a P-series Sig that the slide will actually "rattle" when shaken lightly.  The Sig's frame is aluminum and slide is stainless.  It's still accurate, but the slide was very loose after maybe 5-6K rds.

You need to know, I'm not trying to sell the 75B.  I just don't like people who pass out false information. 

Every shooter has their own gun preferences, but slide or frame wear to the point of looseness or impairing accuracy has not been an issue with the steel CZ 75's. 

[Slimdog71]

Sounds like total crap to me too, I have a 75b in .40 that has over 4000 rounds down range, no slop, no rattles, no full auto. I've even been known to shoot a lot of "HOT" ammo through the pipe!!!! Just have to keep the slide oiled.

[TheEnemies1911]

I agree with every one here.  My 75B now has 8000+ rounds and no signs of loosening or impending failure.

"This particular one had a wee bit of side to side slide-frame play, whereas another I tested before did not."
Was the one you looked at used (abused) and that was his justification as to why it was loose?

"I asked if other brands were like this - he said that these were probably the most notorious for short lifespans."
What did he try yo sell you or did he suggest buying two?

The 75B was my first pistol and all the research I did pointed to a quality, long lasting firearm that I could depend on. People will always try to persuade others to there favorite, but blatantly false (maybe uninformed) info is a bad practice.

[sirgilligan]

I have just a mere 940 rounds through my 85B and it is just fine. The shiny spots on the slide and frame are not changing. The lockup and feel is not changing.
There is something fishy about the salesman's report.

Since the slide has play, I would pass on it. It's up to you to figure out if the salesman was being honest with you or not and what his motives are, but the pistol is rock solid and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. I recently helped a friend by his first handgun and he chose the CZ 85B. He is my friend and my neighbor, and I wouldn't have let him buy one if I didn't know how good they are.

And here is what mine does:

[BigRussia]

I think that guy may be what the kids would say "a hater" 

He was definitely talking bull

[Slimdog71]

Hey Gilligan, what APP is that

[Slimdog71]

Never mind, as always I should read the fine print !!

[jameslovesjammie]

CeZar,

Widge said it best.  Remember that a salesman is there to sell you something.  There is a reason that he wants to sell you what he likes: he gets paid to.  I used to be an electronics salesman in the early 2000's.  You know what I liked to sell?  Sony and Mitsubishi.  You know why?  I made the most commission on Sony and Mitsubishi TV's. 

What pistol did he recommend otherwise?

He may hang out at local USPSA matches, but if he were to attend an international competition, I he would see more CZ's in Production than he even knew existed.  The Shadow is currently the winningest pistol on a global scale.  That wouldn't happen if the gun was unreliable.

Go on the internet and do a search on "whatever brand he recommended kaboom" and "CZ kaboom".  Now compare the results.  That will give you a decent idea of how robust a pistol CZ's are.