New style slide stop spring = no NSN engraving

[noorked]

Interesting , I picked up a 2012 p01 yesterday  , has October test fire date , and has the NSN marking.   Has me curious as to what the changes are.

[Czeetah]

COuld you snap some pics of the new spring and post em?

[HillGuy]

I actually hate the fact that the NSN is stamped on my P01 but it's still my favorite hand gun by far.

So maybe you can exchange slides and be both happy. According to the pistol's specs, they should be interchangeable (as per the NATO requirement      )

Luminary, sorry you don't like the NSN but glad to hear it's your favorite handgun.
Can't change slides. Manhairetis...NSN is on the frame.

Interesting , I picked up a 2012 p01 yesterday  , has October test fire date , and has the NSN marking.   Has me curious as to what the changes are.

I'm not surprised. I think CZ was trying to explain away the missing NSN by saying they made some changes. It got re-certified between 8/12 (my test date) and 10/12? I doubt it. Mine's probably just an overrun as I mentioned in an earlier post. I really think if there was a bunch of these out there, this board would have lit up before now!

COuld you snap some pics of the new spring and post em?

Czeetah, if you can post a pic of yours and point it out, I'll try to post mine if you can tell me how to upload from an iPhone. I think mine
will look just like yours and everybody else's, however!

[djm3801]

Well, overrun is just that. Parts and process do not change. Maybe they have just neglected to stamp them with NSN. But folks do expect to see it. Opinions fall on both sides of the argument, but cheesy of CZ to just put them out there.. Mine - 2 weeks old - has NSN but it is not a matter to me. A nice to have.

[BGlas]

The P-01 page on CZ's website now has this addition: 

"For many years, the P-01 carried an NSN engraved on its frame, making it the first NATO-spec pistol ever available to the public. Recently, the factory decided to upgrade the slide stop spring which in turn means the current models may not carry the NSN."

[HillGuy]

BGlas, good work! I'm glad to know CZ updated their website, as they should have. I never would have raised this question in the first place if the website had posted that info a little more timely. Now it's there for everyone to see.

Still don't understand how the change meshes with the dates showing up on some "new" guns...the test sheet in mine is dated 02/08/12, which I assume is Aug. '12 in Eurospeak. Noorked said his test sheet is dated Oct. '12 and his P-01 has the NSN stamp. Maybe it's been re-certified OR maybe some parts are getting used out of order?

The website implies the P-01 is not NATO certified at this point in time so one would expect any tested/shipped after Aug. '12 would be missing the stamp.

Anyway, I'm ready to start enjoying my P-01. Cleaned it up yesterday, dry fired several hundred times using Snap caps, picked up an UpLula today and hope to get to the range Monday to run a couple hundred rounds through it.

I'll post first impressions later in a new thread.

Thanks again, BGlas for the detective work. And thanks everyone for your comments and interest.
 

 

[manhairetis]

Manhairetis...NSN is on the frame.

Of course it is, you are right. In Europe the 75 D Compacts do not have an NSN number, so I had not noticed the exact place of the marking.
But I was joking anyway  ! Keep your gun and enjoy it!!! According to all the people here who know much better than I do, you have made a great choice.
Best wishes,
Manousos

[manhairetis]

Mine - 2 weeks old - has NSN but it is not a matter to me. A nice to have.

I recommend you check the manufacturing year on the slide and the test - fire date on the target that came with the gun. It may have been produced earlier, when the NSN logo was still used.

[noorked]

I actually read the cz site as saying the current p-01 may or may not have the NSN.        I will post  the firm date off my test target & SKU info to cross reference .    This thread did help sway the recent addition.        Personally, upon reading its a slide stop spring, I am okay with that.    As stringent as the certifications are it could be the same design spring, Different spring steel used causing the  change of certification.    Do all three serials match & both dates correpond?
You will enjoy Shooting it .  Putting the first 50 rounds in the x-ring, in one hole is a great feeling. 
My other P-01 lacks a NSN.    its a '12 as well, but its a pro-tek II     

[hAkron]

They probably don't assemble and test completed guns in the order the parts come out of the machines. 

Most other guns are not NATO certified, so I'm sure CZ went to a lot of expense to market the P-01 as the first NATO marked gun to be sold on the commercial market.  To keep NATO certification they likely wouldn't be able to make any changes to anything functional.  An upgrade, or a process change or whatever which would cause them to have to go back through the NATO recertification process may not make economical sense if it didn't help sell enough guns, and it may not even be possible to schedule a NATO certification.  You may have to wait until NATO decides to certify a particular type of equipment before you can submit your entry.

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape over it.  The thing about CZ's is tat there are almost limitless minor variations in their production.  Your non-NSN marked P-01 might one day be a sought after variant.

The gun itself is no less amazing.  Go shoot I and enjoy it.

[BGlas]

All this discussion on about the P-01 made me curious; so I went down t my LGS yesterday and made the mistake of handling a P-01...  WOW...  They must have taken a mold of my hand when I was sleeping and used that for the grip.  Unfortunately, I'm at my current limit for guns (I know, I know, there shouldn't be a limit, but feeding four kids does place some restrictions on how much can be budgeted for firearms), so someone might just have to find a new home.

[djm3801]

Ah! Well, I sent CZ an e-mail saying that they removed the NSN and there was no explanation in writing. Said i wanted a response IN WRITING. Stated I would NOT post their response verbatim, just wanted to know why good money was spent on a piece that differed from their advertising. Also said it is out on the internet, some folks are irate, some folks don't care, but lack of an explanation was the issue. More of a credibility thing. That said, their products carry a great deal of respect and credibility. As I said mine has an NSN and it matters not to me.. That's me. Bottom line is the second you modify a P01, you are in essence in-violating the NSN and we know folks do that. I do find difference is stamps and various dates interesting. Bought mine 2 weeks ago and need to look at that for the hell of it.

VERY glad they responded on their web site, but it took too long.

I better clean it too.

[HillGuy]

I actually read the cz site as saying the current p-01 may or may not have the NSN.

Do all three serials match & both dates correspond?

Agreed on the wording. I think it could be interpreted either way....may or may not have the stamp, as you said. Or, does it mean "may not" as in "not allowed" to carry the NSN? Very careful and probably legal way of making a disclaimer.

And yes, all three SN match on my P-01.

All this discussion on about the P-01 made me curious; so I went down t my LGS yesterday and made the mistake of handling a P-01...  WOW...  They must have taken a mold of my hand when I was sleeping and used that for the grip.

Yep, you messed up putting one in your hand, BGlas! That's how I wound up getting one. Handled one a gun show, did a little research and knew I had to have one! Planned on buying something and putting it in a drawer for HD. The way the P-01 feels in my hand changed my plans a little. I hope to shoot it as much as I can. That baby's too sweet to be a safe queen!


 

[noorked]

The SKU is 91191.    Test fire date on target 03.10.12. (Assuming 10/3/12 for our dating standards. ) Serial number B145xxx.  Hope some of this helps determine cutoff point or other conclusion.

[HillGuy]

The SKU is 91191.    Test fire date on target 03.10.12. (Assuming 10/3/12 for our dating standards. ) Serial number B145xxx.  Hope some of this helps determine cutoff point or other conclusion.

Noorked, could you check the SKU # on your paperwork? Should be 91199. Test fire date on mine is 02.08.12 = August 2, 2012 U.S. date convention. SN is 105xxx. That's 40,000 units between 8/2/12 and the 10/3/12 date of yours. Sounds like a lot of units...wonder where they went? In any case, since it didn't have the NSN in August and it is now showing up on guns mfg'd in October, all the ones hitting the U.S. now must have it.

Nice of CZ to post the disclaimer about the "de-certification", but it sure seems to cover only a narrow time frame and it's probably not even necessary now.

I think we're back to an overrun last summer that got sent to the U.S.! Why didn't they just say that?