Slide gripping improvements?

[painter]

Just a thought, you should not drill a smaller hole in the cap than the one drilled in the slide as the pin would tend to loosen if it is squeezed too much. Don't need to launch a missile from the rear. 

Joe

Hence another of my reasonings for staking the caps in place.

My shooting glasses are ballistic rated, but I don't want to test the rating.
 

If you're worried about the caps coming off use Loctite 640. They will not come off.

Don't use it on the pin to frame. You'd likely never get it out without re-machining the hole.

[75Plus]

If you're worried about the caps coming off use Loctite 640. They will not come off.

Don't use it on the pin to frame. You'd likely never get it out without re-machining the hole.
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Painter I believe you missed my point or I did not explain it. When a roll pin is pressed into a hole it shrinks to the hole size. If however one end of the pin is in a SMALLER hole the end that is in the larger hole will be affected.

I have not found Loctite to add much when used with roll pins as the friction fit usually removed it from the hole.

Joe

[painter]

If you're worried about the caps coming off use Loctite 640. They will not come off.

Don't use it on the pin to frame. You'd likely never get it out without re-machining the hole.

Painter I believe you missed my point or I did not explain it. When a roll pin is pressed into a hole it shrinks to the hole size. If however one end of the pin is in a SMALLER hole the end that is in the larger hole will be affected.

I have not found Loctite to add much when used with roll pins as the friction fit usually removed it from the hole.

Joe
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Joe I understood completely, and also understand that loctite in a press fit situation usually just wipes off. I probably didn't explain myself clearly.

I don't know if you've ever used this particular Loctite product. It's not like the thread lockers at all.

It will allow for the hole in the knob to be made a slip fit thus not affecting the pin fit in the frame, and will absolutely prevent the knob from coming off without some serious heat.

I've used it on bushings in farm equipment where the hole was so sloppy the bushing would spin by hand, or in the case of lift arms under the pressure of whatever was on the 3 pt hitch. This product eliminates the problem.

Regardless, I'm waiting to see what solution the guys come up with.

[handgun2]

JonC,

Sounds like you have a good plan,  i drilled mine just short of breaking into the space holding the firepin retainer.

keep us posted! with picts too!

[handgun2]

PS: followup.

JonC, 
i like the idea of a radius cut to resemble a traditional slide 'racker',  i was planning on a conical shape (like a bullet head) for my caps. hmmmm,    may have to 'borrow' your idea..   but then again... given the ease of operation now, and i kinda think having a radius cut would thereby increase the overall length of the 'grip utensil',  it would be overkill.   

so, i'm kinda thinkin keepin it low and unobtrusive, but easily gripped when needed.

any thoughts guys?
kevin

[JonNC]

I'm thinking of placing the holes further rearward into the thicker portion of the rear of the bolt.
The first caps will probably be black delrin instead of aluminum, just because.

Yeah, the radius idea would probably be too much.
One could always mill away the serrations and attach a longer, more traditional slide racker there but that is a little more involved than I would like.


I agree that low profile is the way to go.

I might be able to make some chips this week, if I'm lucky.

[handgun2]

Jon,

Respectively, I don't see any space further rearward than what I used. Can give a photo with a marker
location?

[JonNC]

Jon,

Respectively, I don't see any space further rearward than what I used. Can give a photo with a marker
location?

Wups!
I just took a closer look and realized that I had an incorrect mental picture of the rear of the bolt.
Please disregard my cranial flatulence.

[handgun2]

No sweat. Do it all the time.

Cheers!

[buckslayr]

I put knobs on my Kadet yesterday.I used antler tips for the knobs over a small roll pin. should work fine.As everything in nature ,the tips aren't exactly the same,but the purpose is served. later I might put rosewood knobs on to match the grips.I can't post attachments for some reason.

[JonNC]

I have the knobs sitting on my work bench...
If I want to stake the knobs down, I'll have to make a small cut on the outboard end of the roll pin, opposite the split.
I mocked up a test run and I don't have a hammer heavy enough to spread those bleep roll pins as they are ...

I'll get back to it eventually.

[Grendel]

I put knobs on my Kadet yesterday.I used antler tips for the knobs over a small roll pin. should work fine.As everything in nature ,the tips aren't exactly the same,but the purpose is served. later I might put rosewood knobs on to match the grips.I can't post attachments for some reason.

Here's how to do it: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=14704.0

[handgun2]

okay,

i have my grip improvements in place.. have been reliable, functioning fine, no issues..   gonna figure out how to post picts.. but until then.

after much consideration, not wanting to add any real weight/mass to the slide.. i used the front end caps of two similiar ink pens. they are clear plastic but with the dark grey/black of the glue putty i used they are almost the same color as the gun, and while they stick up perhaps more than i want.. which can easily be hand filed down to a height that may be better for some.

i like it.  easy to grip, easy to rack slide, cost was a drill bit, 2 roll pins, 2 ink pens (group pack), and epoxy putty.  about 5 dollars or so.

pretty cheap for improved ability to quickly grasp and rack the slide if needed to load a round.

feeling good, it looks good, feels good, works better.

just a followup.  picts to follow when able.  also, you will see my AL thin  grips.. milled even thinner.. which improves my hand/point ability with the the PO6, 75b. both.

cheers
k

[JonNC]

K,

You can use imgur.com to upload your pics.
It will give you the [img] code that you paste in your post.

I have two caps made up, but on a test piece, I couldn't stake the roll pin.
When I find the time, I'll try splitting the outboard end of the roll pin and see if that will work for me.

[handgun2]

jon,
thanks, will try to upload picts tonight.. let me know your thoughts after reviewing. always appreciate some feedback.
k