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Offline TuxAir

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Need barrel installation tips please.
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:44:01 AM »
Hi folks,

Long time lurker here. I recently had the misfortune of having a squib with a quick follow-up shot during SD practice. Definitely a dud surplus ammo issue. I have successfully disassembled the pistol and removed the old barrel. Had to cut the barrel in half behind the bulge in order to remove it. I am waiting on CZ-USA to deliver the replacement barrel and a couple of extra pins. What I am looking for are some tips from the DIY-ers amongst us on the reinstallation of the barrel. I know some have changed barrels to go to .380, others replaced it with the 9x18 barrel.
So any tips on aligning the new barrel, pressing in, drilling it etc. would be very much appreciated.

Thank you and kind regards,

Tux

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 01:50:01 PM »
A dud wouldn't have fired the bullet into the barrel to cause a squib. How tight was the old barrel coming out? I haven't removed one. I know it's pinned, and I assume it's somewhat of a pressed fit.
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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 04:23:53 PM »
No, don't focus on the word dud so much. It was a squib load. Projectile 2/3 way down the barrel. Odd report. I was just too late to stop with my quick followup during the SD drill. The followup shot, I'm sure, is what did the barrel in. Bad surplus ammo issue would have been a better statement. But hey... It's all that was available to me. The rest of the rounds have been discarded.

Drifting the pin out isn't bad at all. One sharp whack to get it started. small taps afterwards to drive it all the way out. Pressing the barrel out was fairly easy as well. A block of wood that I had counterbored a bit was placed over the muzzle. Another sharp whack to get is broke loose. Once I saw that the barrel moved  a bit by looking in the hole where the pin goes, I used my wood working vise and dogs to press it out. A metal tube was placed over the chamber area for the barrel to slide into and support the frame while I was pressing it out. The bulge in the barrel got in the way so I tapped the barrel in a bit and cut it off. Then I continued to press it out until it became free. After the chamber area is clear of the frame, it moves freely for further removal.

I just need to come up with a tool/jig of sorts to press the new barrel back in. I was hoping someone who has changed barrels would chime in on the method they used to do this, commenting on aligning the new barrel, pressing in, drilling it etc. Right now I'm thinking a piece of phenolic square stock resting on the chamber end  as a pusher block and another tube that fits over the barrel muzzle to rest on the frame.

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 07:30:36 PM »
OK. New barrel pressed in easily using a phenolic block and a piece of SS tubing supporting the barrel frame (the barrel slides into tubing). A piece of leather was placed between the tubing and the frame to prevent marring. Now all that is left if to drill the barrel and pin it. I reattached the slide and held a mag in place. Rounds chamber nicely. Barrel was pressed in so the transition from the frame's feed ramp to the barrel's feed lip was smooth.

Now to find a proper size drill bit. The pin measures .086"
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 01:42:22 AM by TuxAir »

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 07:41:12 PM »
Congratulations on your success to date!  Can you post some pictures, if not of the process then of the shiny new barrel installed?

I have a number of other questions but will wait until your project is complete.  Keep up the good work.

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 11:53:30 PM »
.086" looks like a #44, according to http://bobmay.astronomy.net/misc/drillchart.htm

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 01:47:05 AM »
Pin is installed. Drilled barrel with a #46 bit, then used a #44 reamer. Nice tight fit on the pin. I just supported the frame with a wood block and used a brass drift to tap it in place. 
Anyone wishing to do this can easily do so. But do get an new barrel pin when you do this.
It is too late to post pictures of the process, but I may post one of the finished installation later.  Right now I still have a bag gun :D Need to wait until my days off to reassemble everything and test fire it.

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 08:42:50 AM »
Congrats on the successful operation. I'm sure the patient appreciates a new chance at life!
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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 01:27:45 PM »
It is too late to post pictures of the process, but I may post one of the finished installation later.  Right now I still have a bag gun
Pictures of 'bag guns' can still make for some good gun porn.  I suspect that nice photos of the new barrel in the stripped frame (especially with close ups of the installed pin and chamber) would be enough to get the juices flowing on old codgers like me.

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 03:52:59 PM »
OK... OK... :D




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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 03:53:47 PM »
And a few more.



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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 04:03:05 PM »
Mine is a 1990 made VZ82. The pistol shot and functioned so well, I had it refinished. She's not a safe queen, so I never regretted spending the money her. The entire pistol was refinished with a matte NP3 coating (gray). The slide also has a black RoGuard finish applied for a reverse duo-tone look as do the controls and hammer. A very durable finish. At one time I was going to change grips but the stock ones just work too well for me so they stayed.
I was telling a friend of mine of the barrel change. Aww man... its a $200 pistol. Get another one or you should of gotten the 83!
Yeah... right... I kept thinking. This is my VZ82 in .380. There are none like it and THIS ONE IS MINE :D
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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 12:45:14 AM »
Looks like all worked out well. 3 different cartridges. 62 rounds. 62 pulls of the trigger and 62 bangs. Looks like the barrel change is a success!
I used 25 of my  cast 95 gr RN, 25 cast 100gr TC and 12 of the Federal HST's. All feed just fine. I'm a happy camper. :D
To all you folks thinking about a barrel change on your VZ82 for whatever your reason. Don't be scared. Do it!

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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2013, 01:46:47 PM »
How did you deal with the headspace issue?
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Re: Need barrel installation tips please.
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 02:45:10 PM »
It's a non-issue. A .380 headspaces on the case mouth. The slide's breech face is your rear datum.I used the sammi specs for a 380 case. I also measured the old barrel's location in the frame for placement of the new barrel. Checked it, then checked twice more before I drilled the barrel.
Take out the recoil spring, the magazine and remove the grip panels. You'll see the relationship and how all of it works together.