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Offline doctordoctor

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FRONT SIGHT the beginning of the END!
« on: May 01, 2013, 05:46:05 PM »
So I just received an Email from Dr Piaza or in my friend of circles he is known as Pizza-Boy.  Anyhow His latest scam is to charge you a $500 and soon to be $1000 transfer fee for all of your To Be Determined memberships that you may have stocked up from all his "other deals"  I confirmed this BAIT AND SWITCH with the front office myself no more than 5 minutes ago.  It appears that Front Sight is going to be closing its doors soon.  Any attorneys out there would have no problems proving this guy SCAMMED thousands of us!  I predict a lawsuit shortly!

Any thoughts?  I am out 9 memberships now... unless one of you wants one...

Here is the email:
Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Dear Brett,

Front Sight's purpose has always been to positively change the image of gun ownership in our lifetime by training responsible citizens to levels of expertise that far exceed law enforcement and military standards.

Just 17 years ago, on modest, leased facilities in Bakersfield CA, we started our mission by training ten students in a Two Day Defensive Handgun Course. Today we train upwards of 1,000 citizens each and every week on our own, private, 550 acre, world class facilities outside of Las Vegas.

YOU are one of the hundreds of thousands of Front Sight students who now know how to safely and responsibly shoot faster and more accurately than 99.9% of all gun owners. Thank you for having the foresight to get trained and for participating in our phenomenal growth and success.

More importantly, YOU are one of over 700,000 who collectively participate with us in positively changing the image of gun ownership across this country and your participation recently made a VERY BIG AND POSITIVE IMPACT.

Make No Mistake. YOU, as part of the Front Sight organization, played a pivotal role in beating back Obama, Biden, Bloomberg, Feinstein and their freedom-stealing, gun-grabbing ilk. By simply reading and forwarding my blogs and e-mails to your contact lists, encouraging them to do the same, and writing, e-mailing, and calling your political representatives to demand a NO VOTE on ANY gun control, YOU made the difference.

Front Sight, with your help and participation has become an important and significant political force in this country. Over 700,000 of us armed, trained, and willing to spread the truth across the country about guns and the meaning of the Second Amendment made a HUGE impact in turning the tide of the media fueled gun control hysteria following the Sandy Hook murders.

In terms of SIZE, there is Wayne La Pierre's NRA, Alan Gottlieb's Second Amendment Foundation and then there is YOU and your Front Sight organization!

Together with our friends at NAGR (National Association for Gun Rights), GOA (Gun Owners of America), JPFO (Jew for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) and all the other pro-gun organizations across the country, we beat back the greatest federal assault on our gun rights since the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Again, make no mistake about it, YOU and the Front Sight organization are now an extremely important and very significant force in this country and we are growing faster than any of the pro-gun organizations. PLUS, we are TRAINED!

Congratulations! You did well in that fight and I thank you for standing with me in the battle.

Pat yourself on the back, and get ready for the next fight.

Unfortunately, as you know, those who want to steal our guns and impose their will on us, are licking their wounds but preparing another assault on our freedom and liberty.

They thought they could win in the wake of Sandy Hook hysteria, and without Front Sight's efforts tipping the scale in favor of all gun owners, they would have won.

They were so close and THAT is the problem. They will not stop their attacks until we have created such overwhelming odds against them, that even Obama, Biden, Bloomberg, Feinstein and those like them, recognize their attacks are futile.

For this reason, it is now time for Front Sight to double our facilities so we can train upwards of 2,000 students every week and increase our readership of my blogs, gun training reports and sales offers so Internet forwarding of our message to 700,000 becomes 7 million and 7 million then becomes 70 million!

So here is what we have been working on to rapidly grow Front Sight to the next level so we create an even larger, more significant impact on a daily basis to better protect your freedom and the freedom of your children and grandchildren.

Here is a picture of Front Sight Road right before we open the gate on any given morning:



And here is a picture of the new Front Sight Gate and Entry we are working on, that will allow us to efficiently handle upwards of 2,000 students every day.



And here is a picture of the Front Sight Patriot Pavilion we are working on with over 85,000 square feet of usable space containing 8 classrooms that each can seat 250 people or be combined into larger 500, 1000, or 2,000 person rooms. In addition, the Patriot Pavilion features 12,000 square feet of retail space (as a reference, our current classroom building is 8900 square feet) plus indoor and outdoor dining for breakfast, lunch and dinner, plus much, much more!



Of course, we are also working on another 25 training ranges with associated live-fire training simulators to double our capacity to train responsible Americans.

How long will it take to get it done?

Well much of that is up to you...

We currently have over 100,000 lifetime members.

You may be one of the members who have "To Be Determined" memberships that you have not yet assigned.

You may also be a lifetime member who, for whatever reason, no longer uses your membership to attend courses and would like to assign it to someone who would take full advantage of it.

So as an added benefit FOR ALL MEMBERS, as of May 1, 2013 I am making ALL MEMBERSHIPS TRANSFERABLE AT ANY TIME.

This means that if you have already taken as many courses as you want, or you have reached an age where your health prevents you from attending, or you have relocated to a region of the country which makes the cost of traveling to Front Sight outside of your budget, or ANY OTHER REASON that creates a need to sell or transfer your membership on to someone who can use it, you can now sell or transfer your membership!

And after the person you sold or transferred your membership to has taken as many courses as he or she wants to take, that person can then sell or transfer their membership to someone else!

THIS IS A HUGE MEMBERSHIP BENEFIT because it opens up your ability to sell or transfer lifetime memberships to anyone, who can then use the membership to get trained and that person can then sell or transfer the membership to someone else to get trained!

This benefit alone will expand the marketability of the memberships to the largest and fastest growing segment of the population who need the ability to protect themselves as much, if not more, than anyone... senior citizens.

For years, senior citizens have wanted to take advantage of our lifetime membership programs but have been reluctant to purchase a "lifetime" of training when already in their twilight years. They felt they could never get their use out of paying for a lifetime of training. Well, now they can either purchase your personal lifetime membership or one of your "To Be Determined" lifetime memberships and after they have taken a many courses as they wish, can sell or transfer it to another responsible American.

In this manner, we rapidly multiply the number of people who now have access to our training and like you, will become part of Front Sight's ever expanding number of responsible Americans who are not only trained to levels that exceed the law enforcement and military community, but also stand ready for the next gun control battle by forwarding our message throughout America via phone calls, letters, and e-mails.

So whether you are ready to sell or transfer your personal membership or have "To Be Determined" memberships you would like to sell or transfer, my new policy as of May 1, 2013 making ALL MEMBERSHIPS TRANSFERABLE AT ANY TIME makes your membership(s) much more valuable and an easier sell because the person you sell or transfer to can take as much training as their membership offers and then they can sell or transfer it to someone else!

Now to make this new policy easy and effective to implement, we have created an automatic, online transfer procedure.

If you are selling or transferring your personal membership or one of your "To Be Determined" Memberships simply sign in to https://www.myfrontsight.com/secure/login.php and click on the "Membership Mgmt." tab, then simply follow the directions to complete the online information and have the BUYER of your membership pay the $495 transfer fee (or have the Buyer pay YOU the transfer fee in cash and use your Front Sight Credits to pay the transfer fee so you are converting your Front Sight Credits to CASH!) and the transfer is completed immediately!

We will then mail the membership materials to the new member.

This new policy is designed to make it very easy for you to sell or transfer your personal membership or "To Be Determined" memberships you may be holding because now the purchaser of your membership also has the ability to sell it to recoup their costs when they have had enough training. This increases the value of your membership to the purchaser because they can always get their money out of the membership when they are ready to transfer it to another responsible American who needs and wants our training.

This new policy is also designed to reward you for your participation in all of our previous membership offers that resulted in you accumulating Front Sight Credits. You can now convert your Front Sight Credits to CASH by having the Buyer of your membership pay YOU the transfer fee and you then use your credits to cover the transfer fee.

This new policy is also designed to RAPIDLY increase the number of new, responsible Americans who will now have access to our courses through the purchasing of your personal membership or one of your "To Be Determined" memberships.

This new policy is also designed to create an ongoing flow of revenue to Front Sight through membership transfer paid by the buyers of your memberships to cover the costs of our facility expansion as well as ongoing maintenance of the facility so Front Sight will continue to grow and prosper long after you and I are gone.

I want Front Sight training your grandchildren's children!

So take advantage of this extremely valuable new membership benefit and assist us in expanding Front Sight's facilities and active membership!

NOTE: If your membership is Willable (designated by the letter W in the membership number) when you transfer it, there is NO transfer fee.

Selling or transferring your personal membership will remove you as a lifetime member, but you will always remain part of the Front Sight organization. You will still receive all our communications and you will still be welcome to attend courses using appropriate certificates, special course offers or simply pay as you go.

FURTHER NOTE: The transfer fee paid by the BUYER is currently set at $495 for the next 30 days. After June 1, 2013 the transfer fee will increase to $1,000 or more so go out and get your membership(s) sold or transferred in the next 30 days before the transfer fee increases.

Didn't take advantage of the multiple opportunities I gave you to get Front Sight Credits?

Now that you see how I am making it easier for you to sell or transfer your personal membership or "To Be Determined" and how you can convert Front Sight Credits to CASH by paying the membership transfer with your credits and collecting the transfer fee in cash from your buyer, I will leave the Front Sight Credits page open for a few more days.

Go here https://www.frontsight.com/2012bonus/ to grab as many Front Sight Credits as you can while securing as many course certificates and memberships for future transfer before I remove your ability to purchase any more Front Sight credits Don't hesitate or procrastinate because it will cost you a 3:1 return in Front Sight Credits!

Sincerely,

Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute
7975 Cameron Drive, #900
Windsor, CA 95492
http://www.frontsight.com
info@frontsight.com
1.800.987.7719

Offline adrian

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Re: FRONT SIGHT the beginning of the END!
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 04:58:58 AM »
     Hiya doctordoctor and thanks for starting the thread, one of my range officers purchased a membership with a 250 dollar cost last year, still has not taken a course there. Are ya sayin that the place is going bust after all these years, but telling membership it wants to expand its property and business. I've watched some you tube vids from course participants and they seemed pretty happy about the place and experience. I think Nevada would allow my hi-cap mags ta cross the border, but there style of shooting dosent fit mine well. And kinda dont like paying some of the high fees some places charge, if a place really wanted to enroll more shooters you'd lower, not increase costs.  If I ever decided to buy some 10rd mags, just ta take a course that fits my shooting style, and charges 70 ta 150buck a course, this place in the Republic of Kalifornia would be it.
     http://www.civilianarmstraining.com/ 
     Have ya run across anyone thats attended their training??  I'm not happy to hear about the Pizza-Boy putting folks in the oven, so ta speak. Hope you obtained some training that fit your needs along the way, and that karma catches up with him and his associates in a big way. Be well

Offline doctordoctor

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Re: FRONT SIGHT the beginning of the END!
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 08:55:37 AM »
I have attended numerous times and each time we go we say "well glad there is not a pad-lock on the front gate"  sooner than later his business model is going to fail.  He quickly retracted some of this BS because well....It is illegal to bait and switch as he did.  for 250 that is a steal for a memberships.  i know people who paid $250,00 no joke.  the training is the only reason why the guy is still in business.  His business is great but Pizza Boy is not.  He IS the problem.

If you have a chance I would go.  It is great.  Just not the SCAM.

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Re: FRONT SIGHT the beginning of the END!
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 11:40:20 AM »
What scam? it seems straightforward to me. You want to sell or transfer your membership, the BUYER pays you or Frontsite the transfer fee. Where's the scam there?

There must be more to it or I'm not seeing any scam in that letter you posted.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2013, 11:42:19 AM by Widge »
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Offline doctordoctor

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Re: FRONT SIGHT the beginning of the END!
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 10:10:15 PM »
The scam is that after spending thousands of dollars to upgrade memberships I was given numerous to be determined memberships to help recoup the price of the upgrade.  So I have 9 extra memberships to do what I please with.  My dad has 20 my brother has 12 more... So one day I have 9 memberships the next I have $4500 in the hole for the memberships i ALREADY paid for. 

In other terms it would be like booking a hotel room, then showing up and having to pay for the rooms and then some to stay in what you already paid for. 

***He retracted his illegal activity and my memberships are now safe.  But for the future you will have a transfer fee.***

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Re: FRONT SIGHT the beginning of the END!
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 10:52:49 PM »
That makes more sense.
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