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Offline schmeky

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Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« on: May 13, 2013, 09:20:36 PM »
There is a design flaw in the CZ OEM firing pin used in CZ models with a firing pin block safety, i.e. SP-01, P-01, PCR, 75B, etc.  Good news is there's a solution.  I will show details and the "fix" in a few months. 

In the process of designing/creating a FP that should run practically indefinitely, and should allow for dry firing w/o issue.   

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 09:26:32 PM »
Great.......now I have to spend more money......... ;)

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 09:32:07 PM »
Glad I have CGW FP in my 2.  :)
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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 01:53:54 PM »
Once again...

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 03:08:16 PM »
Ought to be good.

Offline tekarra

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 07:27:19 PM »
Looking forward to seeing details of the flaw and the fix.

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 08:45:46 PM »
waiting with money in hand.  my gun always needs a new upgrade
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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 10:43:51 PM »
It's amazingly obvious.  I can see why the OEM spring pin breaks.  As soon as I have a working prototype, I'll post some pics.

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 12:09:20 AM »
The interrupt  design also serves as the FP travel stop?

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 01:45:16 AM »
The original design is still relevant; think of when (1975) and where (CZ) the design came from.
How many rounds were those guns expected to go thru in their lifetime? Or, without service?

How cheap and easy it is to replace the pins?

Dave is a great guy, I'm not arguing there at all, far from that, opposite actually.

The gun design back then had quite different roots and application, that's what I'm to say.

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 10:18:24 PM »
Cesar is right.  I think what may have brought this issue to light is competition or serious range shooters dry firing a lot.  I suspect action round count went up quite a bit  since design inception.
On the other hand, my pins with 60K rds never broke, but I had put in a new one-piece  pin to make removal for cleaning easier.  The original design was very durable for normal use.

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 08:28:50 PM »
I had a 75B broke a firing pin when I got it used. The first owner appears dryfired it a lot. CZ sent me a firing pin for free. The double roll pin is not that friendly when a firing pin needs to be replaced or removed for cleaning. One reason I switched to Tangfolio!

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 04:30:42 PM »
I wanted to show one of the flaws in the CZ firing pin.  Look where the .125" retaining pin rests against the retaining shoulder of the FP.  You can see there is a mis-match.  The area where the FP actually contacts the retaining pin is a very small area.  This is where the FP peens and eventually can develop a crack.  This also beats up the stock roll pin retaining pin quickly if dry-fired a lot.


Here is how it should look with the FP shoulder mating perfectly with the retaining pin.  This would distribute the inertia forces over a much wider area.  Combined with the ideal FP material, in this case S-7 tool steel, and the proper heat treating, peening should be virtually eliminated, even with prolonged dry firing. 
« Last Edit: July 19, 2013, 07:05:49 PM by schmeky »

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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 08:50:48 PM »
nice catch in the gap between the retaining pin and the FP.     So what's the second flaw?   Also when do you think these "new"  FP with be ready for sale?
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Re: Design Flaw in CZ OEM Firing Pin
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 09:23:15 PM »
This where a CZ FP breaks.  This taper narrows down sharply, too sharply.  A more gradual and thicker taper will make the FP much stronger.  Lastly, I had a CZ FP analyzed and it is made from an average grade of tool steel.  S-7 tool steel is vastly superior but expensive.  CGW CZ FP's are currently made from S-7.