Vz.58 Pistols What are the Facts?

[DDNC]

A tax stamp is permission to have a "non sporting" firearm.

IOW, NFA firearms do not have to be 922r compliant.

Not exactly, this is a current and frequent misconception as the details have changed.
SBR's most certainly and unequivocally must meet 922r compliance. today.
At one point several years ago this was not true but ATF changed their position on this several years ago and 922r applies to NFA SBR's.
Select fire and machine guns however ARE exempt from 922r.

[nalioth]

A tax stamp is permission to have a "non sporting" firearm.

IOW, NFA firearms do not have to be 922r compliant.

Not exactly, this is a current and frequent misconception as the details have changed.
SBR's most certainly and unequivocally must meet 922r compliance. today.
At one point several years ago this was not true but ATF changed their position on this several years ago and 922r applies to NFA SBR's.
Select fire and machine guns however ARE exempt from 922r.

The law has not changed.

Opinions are like alimentary termini - everyone has one and they all stink.

IOW, ATF opinions are just that - opinions.  These opinions change depending on who's sitting in the chair on Pennsylvania Avenue.  None of these opinions change the law.


Two guys wrote letters asking the same question to the revenuers a while back, and got two opposing answers back.

Also, the revenuers have been caught perjuring themselves to get a conviction (so they're proven liars).

Also, for those of you who believe everything the ATF puts on paper, there are letters out there that confirm my statement.

[DDNC]

Opinions are like alimentary termini - everyone has one and they all stink.

You got that right. Although not addressed to me it seems like the intent here is pretty clear and personally I am not interested in forfeiting my NFA weps or litigious $$ for an opinion.

[nalioth]

Your letter was written by a drone, and most likely has an ink-stamped signature.

Again, ATF letters are non-binding.  This means that they are not "get out of jail free" cards,even for the recipient.

Also, if you care to look, the form 1 is an "Application to manufacture".

Unless you're manufacturing in Siberia, or Brno, your new NFA weapon will be manufactured in the USA, and thus - not imported.  922r affects what?  "Unimportable" weapons.


Apparently, this has not been discussed properly on this board, but it's been done to death on others (and I'm not quite ready to start copy/pasting all the content from those boards to this one).

OPINIONS DO NOT CHANGE THE LAW.

[nalioth]

If you are contemplating making a SBR, don't take the word of anyone on the internet (even when they show you pretty letters).

The US Code is free to browse, and you can answer your own questions.

If you can't seem to figure it out, consult a lawyer (they are paid to know this stuff).

[DDNC]

Yes, 922r is a construction violation not possession and ATF may say you are constructing an SBR or anything they want for that matter. It is their burden to prove but this day in age the politburo in DC gets away with anything. The point being is there are discrepancies both ways and I trust these guys as much as the buffoon masquerading as POTUS= Zero. Especially anything firearm related.
This particular article does say "if you plan on changing parts" Well what if you don't change any parts? So as usual with ATF it's vague and a few US parts isn't an issue for me if it keeps them out of my life and even if this is all total BS (which 99 % of all gun laws are BTW) you would still have to defend($$$)your stance.

[DDNC]

If you are contemplating making a SBR, don't take the word of anyone on the internet (even when they show you pretty letters).

The US Code is free to browse, and you can answer your own questions.

If you can't seem to figure it out, consult a lawyer (they are paid to know this stuff).

I don't and currently have 30 stamps so I'm not new to the game and am in frequent conversation with the NFA attorney that prepared my trust. I have 6 more filed on the e-forms 2 months ago and don't know what will become of those.
With the current trust hullaballoo these will most likely be my last.   

[RogerCZ75Bfan]

OMG...this is why I bailed from my dreams of an SBR...twice.
I'll just stick with my Vz. AKs, AR and AK pistol.

[Horse]

What are the facts of VZ.58 pistols?

I have one.


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[doodi1]

bleep, they are out of stock again! 

Any word on when the 7.62x39 pistols will be back in the US?

[DDNC]

Well I about crapped on myself last week when my stamps showed up for my VZ58 and an UZI. It only took 285 days. Mailed Jan. 2013. BTW it is 922r compliant and the PK-AS is perfect for this platform.

[armed hiker]

Very nice. I like the color scheme.

I might have been interested in one but to be honest after waiting out one permission slip for almost a year I went in another direction. Plus I have friends that are more patient than I so I just wait to shoot their toys. Tax free no less.

If I forget the pain in the but it was I might do up a vz58 sbr but a suppressor would come first............ maybe, that one does look tempting.

[jwc007]

Very very Nice SBR Vz-58, DDNC!!!   

[doodi1]

That's a great looking SBR! I am very jely!

[Horse]

Yup - that's nice!