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Offline gunfrog

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P-09 RANGE REPORT
« on: July 16, 2013, 07:36:26 AM »
Picked one up last Thursday,  could only dryfire till yesterday, Monday 15 July 2013.

Accuracy , standing 25 yards, 5 rounds, approx. 4 inches. best 4 about 2 inches, with: Win white box 115, FC +p+ 124, and win 147 ranger. (sights where about 3 inches right)

Function: Zero issues in 200 rounds.

Trigger: SA good with ok reset length. DA good, it gets a lot better with use.

Control-ability in rapid aimed fire:  5 STAR!!  Actually recovered quicker with +p+ loads.

It is a joy to shoot. The only I changes I am considering  are a fiber optic front site, and a small touch of solder iron stippling in a few places on the frame.


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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 04:29:48 PM »
nice!   :)     pics?   :'(
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 06:42:03 AM »
Give me a week on pics. I did take pictures of the gun, range and groups on target.  The sights where actually hitting to the left not right.   I was really impressed with how it handled in rapid aimed fire. Would make a great USPSA production gun.  I normally shoot open but am considering switching to production with P 09, this gun rocks!

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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 05:54:11 PM »
Don't it, though?  ;D 8) Thanks for the info!

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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 11:12:57 AM »
I'm having a hard time with the trigger reset. It's really slowing down my splits from .09-.14 with my 1911 or M&P9 to .24-.30 with the P-09. Needs a lot of work.
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2013, 12:21:14 PM »
Nice! Lets get some pictures hombre (gun porn!)
I'm surprised it handles +p+, but I've heard +p+ is a "gimmic"
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 07:41:34 PM »
So far I still say my P-07 has a better trigger. However, the size and weight of the P-09 is allowing me faster follow up shots.

While doing El Presidente drills I'm finding my second, third and fourth shots (two targets) to be holding good (for me) groups. While my P-07 is spread significantly farther.

Over all I really like the new pistol. I just need to put another thousand or so rounds downrange to get as used to it as I am with the P-07.
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2013, 07:48:44 PM »
Can't wait to get my hands on one.

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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 08:51:21 PM »
So far I still say my P-07 has a better trigger. However, the size and weight of the P-09 is allowing me faster follow up shots.

While doing El Presidente drills I'm finding my second, third and fourth shots (two targets) to be holding good (for me) groups. While my P-07 is spread significantly farther.

Over all I really like the new pistol. I just need to put another thousand or so rounds downrange to get as used to it as I am with the P-07.

What is El Presidente? What are the major differences between the 07 and 09?
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 07:31:33 AM »
So far I still say my P-07 has a better trigger. However, the size and weight of the P-09 is allowing me faster follow up shots.

While doing El Presidente drills I'm finding my second, third and fourth shots (two targets) to be holding good (for me) groups. While my P-07 is spread significantly farther.

Over all I really like the new pistol. I just need to put another thousand or so rounds downrange to get as used to it as I am with the P-07.

What is El Presidente? What are the major differences between the 07 and 09?

don't know.   p07 compact 16 + 1 (9mm) p09 full size 19 + 1 (9mm).
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 09:57:08 AM »
wow 19+1 for a carry, nice!
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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2013, 09:41:26 AM »
Thanks for the range report.  These look interesting

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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2013, 09:37:04 AM »
What is El Presidente?

http://pistol-training.com/drills/el-presidente

And from Wiki:

El Presidente

One combat pistol drill is the El Presidente drill, developed by Jeff Cooper in the 1970s and published in the January/February 1979 issue of American Handgunner magazine.[5] This is used as a benchmark to gauge a shooter's skills, as it tests the draw and reload, and requires good transitions and follow-through.[6] The El Presidente drill is set up as follows:

    Three silhouette targets are placed 1 meter apart in a line 10 meters from the shooter.
    The shooter starts with six rounds in a holstered handgun, and a spare magazine or speedloader with another six rounds.
    The shooter begins facing directly away from the targets, often with hands clasped in front or over the head.
    Upon the starting signal, the shooter turns and draws, fires two shots at each target, reloads, and then fires two more shots at each target.

Scoring varies; the simplest method uses hit/miss scoring, with a time penalty (often 10 seconds) for each miss. El Presidente drills scored under the IPSC Comstock system take the total number of points on the targets (possible 60 points) and divide that by the time taken to complete the drill. This generates a number called "hit factor," which is a numerical representation of how many points the shooter placed on target per second during the drill; e.g., shooting 55 points in 5.5 seconds would give the shooter a 10.0 hit factor. Originally, a time of 10 seconds with a stock handgun, and all the points on target, was considered good. Today, shooters using modern IPSC raceguns with muzzle brakes and red dot sights are close to breaking the three-second barrier, and even shooters using production guns with no muzzle brakes or optical sights routinely break the five-second mark.

And if you want to see it (he has an even faster time out there now):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3txtcVLLrc

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Re: P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 01:31:04 AM »
:o

If I can ever get it under 5 seconds I'll be very happy
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P-09 RANGE REPORT
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 08:05:40 AM »
El Prez is a great drill for draws and transitions.  Supposed to start with hands at surrender it is just  a demonstration.