DPMS System, anyone use this in their 97 B

[awanderingbear]

New to the Forum here.  Came up with an older 97 B (there is the number 98 stamped on the slide, just to the right side rear of the ejection port - would this be the year it was made?, or how do you tell what year it was made?), haven't had an opportunity to fire it yet, but it sure feels nice in the hand! 

I'm wondering if anyone has used the DPMS Systems MECHANICAL RECOIL REDUCTION SYSTEM in their 97 B, or 75 B?  What's your opinion?  Would you recommend this item? 

I acquired a 75 B a couple of months ago - where had it been all my life!!!!  I'd seen CZ's in articles n' on their web site (have had a few of their rifles over the years, along with a couple Dan Wesson's made by CZ) just hadn't handled a 75 B or 97 B, until a couple of months ago.   I'm a changed man now!!!!

thank you for any input n' opinions...

[awanderingbear]

This will make it easier to refer to the DPM System: http://dpmsystems.com/products/item/101-mechanical-recoil-reduction-system   

[Grendel]

The 98 is indeed, the year of manufacture.

As for recoil reduction systems, you'll get some who say use it, and some who say don't.

Personally, I consider them an unnecessary complication and simply something to cause problems on an otherwise dependable weapon. Surely, if they were really needed, the manufacturer would already have them installed. IMHO, they are another way to separate the gullible from their $$$

Other people swear by them.

[bozwell]

New to the Forum here.  Came up with an older 97 B (there is the number 98 stamped on the slide, just to the right side rear of the ejection port - would this be the year it was made?, or how do you tell what year it was made?), haven't had an opportunity to fire it yet, but it sure feels nice in the hand! 

I'm wondering if anyone has used the DPMS Systems MECHANICAL RECOIL REDUCTION SYSTEM in their 97 B, or 75 B?  What's your opinion?  Would you recommend this item? 

I acquired a 75 B a couple of months ago - where had it been all my life!!!!  I'd seen CZ's in articles n' on their web site (have had a few of their rifles over the years, along with a couple Dan Wesson's made by CZ) just hadn't handled a 75 B or 97 B, until a couple of months ago.   I'm a changed man now!!!!

thank you for any input n' opinions...

They will reduce the recoil of the gun but it may not be by enough to justify the cost.  That's where it comes down to personal preference.  Most 45acp guns have a pretty soft recoil, despite the large round.  If you're looking to spend $80-100 modifying your gun, I personally think you're better served getting a CGW hammer, a spring kit, or something that will noticeably improve the shootability of the gun.  Once you've done all of those things, if the recoil bothers you, maybe then consider a DPMS.  Just my $0.02.

As for the manufacturer including them, CZ doesn't include a lot of things in their factory guns because of cost.   That's hardly a reason not to consider aftermarket parts.

[Bible2David]

Unlike the previous post, I have tried the DPM system in my CZ 75BD and 75D and enjoy the feel. It is hard to say that they reduce the recoil, but I do believe them improve the feel.  In fact, after put one in my Walther P99 AS 40 S&W, I had to try it in the CZ 75BD.  Then I placed DPM Systems in my CZ 75D and Desert Eagle 1911G.  I believe they are an improvement to a great gun just like installing HiViz Sights on a gun.  To each his own.

[Grendel]

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As for the manufacturer including them, CZ doesn't include a lot of things in their factory guns because of cost.   That's hardly a reason not to consider aftermarket parts.

My reason has nothing to do with cost, it has to do with adding unnecessary complications to an already fast moving and violently acting object.

How many manufacturers do include them? Surely if they were such a godsend, they'd be almost universally adopted and the costs passed on to the end user.

Equally, how many top level competitors use them? I have no idea, but they aren't exactly falling over themselves to endorse them are they?

[awanderingbear]

Appreciate the inputs, thanks.
It's not the idea of reducing recoil, but have read in the Forum here about some battering of the slide having a few ill effects?
This is where the DPM System caught my attention as possibly being an assist in less slide battering?  Or am I full of prunes!
Being nice to a firearm is always a good consideration. 

Recoil of a .45 ACP has never been a problem, be it a 1911, Glock, 1917, etc.  I regularly shoot a S&W 4" Mountain Gun .44 Mangle-um with full power loads, though mostly with medium loads (which will handle 90% of things in the woods most of the time).

Again, for reducing wear is my main view.   

Because a Mftr. doesn't use a product in their factory offering doesn't necessarily mean the product may not improve some aspects of the firearms performance and longevity.   The 1911 genre of after market accessories is a prime example of this.   Perhaps the DPM System is not a necessary addition to such a fine handgun, then again it's probably not going to hurt it either.

Either the 97 B that I have either came from the factory, or someone along the way over the years, had installed an SAO trigger system, and it is very nice indeed.

[Grendel]

Slide battering is normally caused by worn springs or over powered ammunition. Avoiding both will reduce the likelihood of it occurring to zero.

[jameslovesjammie]

How many manufacturers do include them?

H&K, Kahr, and CZ (on the Rami) come to mind.  I think the biggest benefit to these systems comes in semi-compact firearms firing high pressure rounds.  My personal belief is that with a full size handgun they don't do much, especially with a low pressure round like the ACP.  You would most likely see a bigger difference in recoil impulse by changing bullet weight with a .45 than spending $$$ on a recoil reducer.

I agree with Boz: if you're going to drop $80-100 on an upgrade, spend it on a competition hammer and spring kit.

[jameslovesjammie]

Slide battering is normally caused by worn springs or over powered ammunition. Avoiding both will reduce the likelihood of it occurring to zero.

+1.  Regular maintenance and spring replacement is paramount in ANY semi-auto.

[kittum]

+1.  Regular maintenance and spring replacement is paramount in ANY semi-auto.

+2.  A new spring may be due for the "new" older gun. 

I haven't shot any hot ammo with mine but it seems to be one of the softest .45's I have ever shot, but it is still quite new and of course the spring is still good.  As for the DPMS system, I wouldn't know if that would be worth the extra cost but it would be interesting to me to hear your opinion after using it a while.   

Nice find by the way on the 1998 model and welcome to the forum!

[awanderingbear]

Thank you for the welcome to the Forum here.

Is it best to do the DPMS system or not, I've no definitive answer one way or the other?  I surfed the net 'bout 'em, and did order one. So in time shall be able to provide my 'nose' on it later (opinions are like noses: everyone's got one.  That's a bit more polite than referring to the sour end of 28 ft of intestine, k'!).  I've mostly used 1911's with minimal updgrades (a basic worked over one by Jim Hoag Gov't Series 70 is the most I've had done to one).  Most other pistol brands (Glock, Radom, Ruger, Colt, Berretta, Browning) have been used pretty much in their factory issue mode.

Reading posts in the Forum here:  1. ordered a Wolf 16# spring;   2. a Steve Bieder full length guide rod - it arrived yesterday, VERY nice work he dose;   3. a DPM System setup.  Yes, can't use a full length guide rod n' the DPMS at the same time. 

Will find how it works n' share my 'nose' here in the Forum.  It will be about a month before receive it, as am traveling soon and it will have to be forwarded to me.   As for the spring that's in it now, no idea how old or tired it may be, so shall replace it with the 16# spring and go from there.  By all means, as one reply mentioned: preventive maintenance, maintenance/clean/magazines and keeping a tab on springs is paramount for good reliable pistol performance.

Most all ammo to be used (at first anyway) will be factory spec 230 gr. FMJ, maybe some 185 Gr FMG also.  Not out to hotrod this fine pistol.  If want more umph from a pistol will drag out a 10mm with full loads (not trying to start a debate here either!!).  Again, I've not had the opportunity to fire this 97 B yet, and it will be at least another week+ before can do so.  Though I've hugged it several times since it came into my care...!

[schmeky]

Running a DPM is a personal choice.  Battering of the frame/slide is non issue, these parts are designed to "batter" each other, just like all semi-autos that use the Browning recoil operating system. 

One thing to consider on a DPM is how do you adjust your recoil spring for different loads?  If DPM has alternate springs, what do they cost?  Be careful of being locked into a particular part or assembly.  Lastly, full size CZ-75 and Browning Hi-Power recoil springs fit the 97, giving you many options, low cost, and availability. 

[kittum]

Though I've hugged it several times since it came into my care...!

I have hugged mine also. 

[awanderingbear]

Yesterday afternoon found me setting atop the Continental Divide, here in Montana, out for some hiking n' take the new-to-me 97 B for its first-with-me stroll in the mountains!

Found an empty soda can, placing it 25 or so yards away.  From a steady rest, caressed the trigger, sending a 230 gr. FMJ downrange, then watching the soda can pop (no pun intended) into the air, bouncing farther downrange.  Emptied the 10 round magazine of its ammo.  With the last few shots being around the 35 yard range, though did miss the can 3 out of the 10 times!!  I now have further understanding of what folks in the Forum here have spoken about the accuracy of the 97 B (in this case a 1998 SAO version).  Why yes, I am impressed AND delighted with its performance.   Other mags were emptied at various woodsy sticks n' rocks, stopping all from charging n' doing me harm!   I LIKE this 97 B.  By the way, picked up n' packed out the by now shredded soda can for proper disposal.