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Offline bozwell

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New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« on: November 16, 2013, 01:41:07 PM »
Just picked it up today and I've convinced myself that it's in good working condition, although at first I thought I had an issue (I'm always suspicious of Century Arms   :P).  I thought for sure something was up with the trigger because it felt the same in both safe and fire modes... until I did some Googling and realized the actual fire mode is 180 degrees off from how I was positioning the lever.  Suddenly the trigger had some tension and the gun fired nicely.  Why they make a safety lever with an extra position I don't know, but at least I figured it out.  :)  I also thought my muzzle brake was crooked until I read that these are usually canted - live and learn. :)

I'm not a huge fan of the folder but the price at Aim was tough to beat.  The pistol grip in particular feels really small for my hand - I feel like I'm holding my P38 with a finger extension, rather than a full sized rifle.  I'm thinking about ordering a wood stock for this gun, as I have enough tacticool rifles in the safe.  I may also look into a new muzzle brake, although I doubt the recoil is going to be a problem.  At least with my AK in 7.62, the recoil is very timid and is more like a gentle push.  Other than that, I'm not sure if there's anything I'd really need/want to do to this gun.  I'm not a huge fan of the way the safety engages (disengaging the AK safety feels more intuitive when you're going to fire the gun), but I'm not sure that's worth worrying about.

I might try and sneak up to the gun club tomorrow to give it a test run.  So far though, it's quite a rifle for the price, and I'm looking forward to shooting it!

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2013, 06:37:27 PM »
I like the one I got a while back from Centerfire Systems.  It is my first and even though it is a "cheap copy",,, seems like it will work fine considering what they were designed for.

I think your deal with the mags and accessories was a better deal than what we got through Centerfire.
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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2013, 04:48:11 PM »
Glad I'm a member of zcfirearms.us because I just picked up two of the vz2008's from aimsurpluss and was having a hard time believe BOTH firearms work broken, LOL! 

Is there any way that I can get the safety to work in the correct position?

Offline andrewhyatt89

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 05:05:52 PM »
It's my understanding that the safety direction was a design choice by Century(or whomever they farmed it out to.) Maybe a CSA safety and associated components?? 

I have a D-Technik(CSA/Czechpoint) and when I handled the Century I was pleasantly surprised.

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2013, 05:42:20 PM »
It's honestly a nice gun, especially for the price.  I just scratched my head a little bit at the safety, haha.  I've never seen a gun with a safety lever that has 3 positions - 2 safe, 1 unsafe.  :P 

After doing a bit of reading, I'm also a bit nervous as to whether I'll be able to remove the folder.  Seems like there are plenty of posts saying that it's on there super tight.  Makes me wonder if there are any reputable smiths around here or elsewhere who would handle the muzzle brake/stock swap for me.

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2013, 06:12:58 PM »
Oh come on Boz, roll up your sleeves, grab a wrench and give it hell!

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2013, 06:20:34 PM »
Congratulations on your new Vz2008 and may it serve you well!  :)  8)  I love mine!  :)

Did not have too much trouble modifying my Vz2008, although it came with the Wood Stock.  A T-handled Allen wrench made short work of changing out the stock.  The most trouble I had was with the front lower handguard as the retention pin was really in there.  All I did different was to hit my Roll Pin Punch with a bigger Hammer to convince it to move.

The Muzzle Brake was easy, as they will conform to the Muzzle end threads when you screw them on.


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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2013, 07:23:26 PM »
Oh come on Boz, roll up your sleeves, grab a wrench and give it hell!

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I'm a bit out of my element when it comes to rifles.   :P  I did my Saiga conversion but it sat for a couple of months before I buckled down and decided to do it.  I've got a much better setup for these projects in the new house (versus the dining room table in my apartment ;D), so maybe if I can find some spare time I'll get to work on it.  I will probably leave it as a folder for now though - why rush it. :)

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2013, 08:39:09 PM »
When I picked mine up from the gun shop today the guy working told me someone else had just picked up a vz2008 from Aim Surplus as well.  Guess I'm not the only one in Tallahassee that couldn't let a great deal pass me by.  I was glad to hear it because it's not often I see or hear about other vz58/2008 fans from around my town.

JWC007 I'm glad you like yours so much, I can't wait to shoot mine.  I'll be comparing them to my D-tech VZ58's , I hope they compare favorably.  Admittedly, I was shaking my head before I came here and found out the safety situation, lol.

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2013, 12:35:25 AM »
I am looking to buy a VZ2008 which is selling for about $460.00 otd at a LGS. What was the great deal at Aim Surplus that everyone is talking about?

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2013, 01:13:27 AM »
I am looking to buy a VZ2008 which is selling for about $460.00 otd at a LGS. What was the great deal at Aim Surplus that everyone is talking about?


They just sold out but will probably have more within a couple of weeks which has been the trend. They will notify you when more are in stock.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CVZ2008&utm_source=AIM+Surplus+Main+List&utm_campaign=69063e97e5-11082013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6870497a6a-69063e97e5-18714585
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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2013, 01:51:18 AM »
FYI: Sense we have a lot of new VZ owners with this Aim deal there is a possible issue you guys need to know about if you don't already know. All semi auto VZ clones are subject to the "VZ Gremlin" which is an issue involving the striker not being held to the rear during cycling. The solution is to have a tabbed bolt carrier which many Czechpiont and Century VZs come with as a modification to address the issue. However it appears some 2008s don't have the modification. The first 2008 I had did not have the tab but the second one I own now does so you need to look. Now, I never had the issue with my first 2008 even though mine didn't have the tab and you may not either if yours doesn't have it. If yours doesn't have it and you have the issue or are concerned you will you may want to contact Century and inquire with them if they still support the modification or you will need to have someone weld one for you. There are several articles on this site that explain the issue in more detail but I have linked to one below. Also pictured is a pic of my bolt carrier with the tab in place so you will know what to look for.

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=26292.0


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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 08:27:39 PM »
I ordered my VZ-58 2008 from AIM everything seemed fine until I tried to take it apart and ran into some problems. Number 1 (could not get the top cover off) got online and found out if the trigger is engaged it will not come off). Got it!! totally makes sense pulled the trigger realized it was on safety. Problem number 2 ( The safety was stuck above the bottom lip of the gun and below the pin). That caused some stress!! I calmed down and looked at some videos and noticed the safety position was wrong so I pushed down on the pin from the other side to give me a little room to push the safety down over the lip with a lot of force into the correct position and it worked!!I was then able to get the top cover off and disassemble the gun. I also noticed that racking the gun the bolt would get stuck halfway (Learning curve) racks perfect in safety. Overall the gun looks great no canted sites/trigger problems and the magazines fit perfect. Now I just need to fire it.

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2013, 05:42:37 PM »
Muzzle break on 2008s is easy.  Push in that little button/retainer plunger at top and unscrew.  There barrels are 16 1/4", so legal in most places without permanently attached.

The Czechpoint's muzzle break's/muzzle nuts are brazed on as their barrels are less than 16" w/o them. 

I got the flash hider (http://www.bonesteelarms.com/VZ-58-Phantom-Flash-Hider-CNC-22292.htm) and Ronin's Grip Galil Ultra Grip (http://www.bonesteelarms.com/Ronins-Grips-VZ-58-galil-ultra-style-grip-roninvzgalil.htm) from Bonesteel. 

If you prefer the lines of the current VZ, they also offer the long grip, which should accommodate all 3 bottom fingers on the grip...  The factory grip, I was able to get just 2, and I'd describe my hands as medium sized... Here's the grip: http://www.bonesteelarms.com/Ronins-Grips-VZ-58-long-grip-roninvzlng.htm

Thinking back, I probably should have purchased the Slovak break too as I want to compare, but as primarily a home defense based/short range urban carbine platform (what I'm building it for) the flash hider was important in the event of night deployment.  http://www.bonesteelarms.com/VZ-58-Slovakian-Style-Muzzle-Brake-CNC-23263.htm

On the front grips, I'm running the NEA cowitness upper and lower.  I prefer the NEA as it keeps the narrow grip profile.  The Bonesteel while a quality product, runs much thicker than I I like -- if wanting to add something to each rail, it's probably better as it allows better ventilation than does the NEA if you add the full length rails on all 3 sides and cover ventilation holes...  I'm running a light and a magpul AFG2 on mine with just the short rail sections.   (My NEA was the troy package with 2 free rails included...  Botach showed in stock as of a couple months ago.)

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Re: New VZ-2008 from Aim Surplus
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2013, 11:02:51 PM »
Forgot the UTG Model 47 recoil pad.  I'm 6' w/ 34" shirt sleeves and the length of pull with the stock folder was too short.  The UTG AK recoil pad adds ~2" to length of pull which is darn near perfect.  It also moves my head back from the receiver by about the same distance which actually makes it much easier to get a good sight picture as well.  I'd say if you are taller than 5' 6", and definitely above 5' 8", consider getting the pad.  Worst case, you're out $12, but then Amazon is great w/ returns.
The only caveat with this pad is that the stock won't lock folded with the pad installed.  You can shave the pad to fit, or remove when wanting to close.  Pretty quick install.  I added a loop of paracord through the factory loop holes on mine to keep it from being accidentally removed, but a velcro tie loop strip or something similar would work too.
http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Model-Combat-Butt-Pad/dp/B002TUSK06/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

EDIT: Measured and UTG Pad is 1" add'l length of pull -- apologies for confusion.

Wanted to add that my first VZ58 is my function-first modernized black rifle option -- and the modifications I'm doing to optimize the function of the platform for me, not disrespect it by making is look like an AR15, a tacticool joke, etc...
My next VZ58 will be intended for a carbine, fixed stock, more historically accurate and traditional platform.  Several places sell components or complete kits for the bakelite buttstocks, but I don't know that very many folks still have the bakelite available new in stock.
Debating between this and my next planned platform acquisition, in pairs, of the Waffen Works AK 74s in 5.45x39 for a trunk/truck gun option as well.  If VZ 58, I'll have 3 of those before moving on to the 74s... At $450 for these VZ58s plus $50 or less for the tab welding, it's what I'm leaning towards over the $600 74s.   74s appeal primarily being ammo cost as well as the 5.45x39 hollow tip bullets tumbling at reduced velocities at extended ranges, not requiring high velocities for fragmentation and effectiveness like the 223/5.56 (223/5.56 typically only reliably fragmenting at 150 yards or less when shot from full length M16s -- less effective distance out of M4 carbines).  Also 5.45 rounds weight less than 7.62 rounds -- another factor as well from both vehicle weight/MPG reductions with increased weight, storing in a smaller package, and/or ability to carry more in same size/weight profile as fewer 7.62s.

My philosophy for use (borrowing from nutnfancy  ??? -- yes, I know...) of the VZ58 platform is to fulfill 85-90% of the capability that owning and running both the SKS and AK47 as situation merits.  With the VZ's increased accuracy over the AK, I think this highly doable. 
Considering a CZ 7.62x39 mini mauser bolt rifle/carbine to fulfill that remaining 10-15% -- primarily in regards to accuracy at distances to 400 yards as well as a capable woods and brush deer hunting system (only w/in 200 yards, ideally 100)...  Think similar to a 30-30 replacement.

I make a point to buy both extensive spare parts and springs; overstock on mags and spare mag springs; and deep ammo (especially Russian calibers) for every "military" platform I own due to the increasing nanny state, rising costs, and especially this current administration's import restrictions; and I usually buy a complete spare in addition to parts.  Point being, I try to make sure that I have a definite use for each caliber and weapon system I acquire (excluding inherited weapons), instead of just purchasing for the cool or flavor of the month factor.  Considering stocking the parts and ammo, and training time to become proficient, it's very helpful on multiple levels to simply and reduce the number of needed platforms.
Cost of ammo is also a big factor in my decision making for platforms too.  At 25 cents per round for Golden Tiger FMJ or Tula/Herters 124gr 8M3 HPs or Tula/Herters 154gr soft point (my preferred 7.62x39 ammo options), I'm still below the "need to reload to afford to shoot it" threshold for this caliber, which is appealing recognizing its capabilities and low ammo cost and no time spent reloading meaning lots of time actually running the gun and becoming proficient on it.
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