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Offline Forced March

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2014, 03:02:31 AM »
Wow, that is some story!  I doubt the original VZ had these problems.  Better quality control, and with none of the parts removed.  It's possible a part of this rifle is lost in the translation.

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2014, 02:20:35 AM »
I know why it wont go all the way forward!!!

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2014, 07:37:44 AM »

 These VZ08's clearly do not need a tab. Read my post on the 1st page. Just as an example,here's what happened yesterday while checking out my newest VZ08. Got it out of the box.....at the range,pulled the bolt and sprayed a quick shot of tetra lube on the rails and bolt as thats what I had with me. I bent the trigger springs to get my desired pull and went to firing. Around 50 to 60 rounds I got a no fire....light primer strike and the again with about 1 in 10 shots. The rounds fired when shot again.
  So instead of thinking I need a tab  ::)  Listening to dry it didn't seem very loud strike,broke it down and realized I had not lubed the striker and it was not a smooth movement.  Gave it a spray and moved it a bit. The following 100 rounds were flawless.
 That said I still felt the sound of the primer strike was weak as compared to my 1st rifle and confirmed it when I got home. I compared the striker springs and my new one was shorter than the other and a spare I have. Just to be sure I put the longer one in and it sounds like it should.
Tabs don't fix weak springs or broken old used parts. Take your thinking cap to the range so if you have issues you can try to fix them while there.


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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2014, 08:23:53 AM »


try this with your tabbed and then not tabbed carrier:
hold carrier to the rear of rifle, press and hold trigger, release carrier.
You will find the tabbed carrier will remain cocked, while the untabbed will follow 100% of the time.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=38703.0





^I tried this with mine and the carrier stops about half way. Releasing the trigger will allow it to return completely but not cocked. Releasing the tension on the carrier by pulling the bolt back slightly (while still holding the trigger then releasing the trigger) then letting the carrier return will allow it to remained cocked. Is this something that's been fixed from CAI? Mine hasn't manifested the gremlin, but if it's still an issue I'd like to be proactive as I can weld a tab in myself if need be.
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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2014, 08:36:38 AM »

 These VZ08's clearly do not need a tab. Read my post on the 1st page. Just as an example,here's what happened yesterday while checking out my newest VZ08. Got it out of the box.....at the range,pulled the bolt and sprayed a quick shot of tetra lube on the rails and bolt as thats what I had with me. I bent the trigger springs to get my desired pull and went to firing. Around 50 to 60 rounds I got a no fire....light primer strike and the again with about 1 in 10 shots. The rounds fired when shot again.
  So instead of thinking I need a tab  ::)  Listening to dry it didn't seem very loud strike,broke it down and realized I had not lubed the striker and it was not a smooth movement.  Gave it a spray and moved it a bit. The following 100 rounds were flawless.
 That said I still felt the sound of the primer strike was weak as compared to my 1st rifle and confirmed it when I got home. I compared the striker springs and my new one was shorter than the other and a spare I have. Just to be sure I put the longer one in and it sounds like it should.
Tabs don't fix weak springs or broken old used parts. Take your thinking cap to the range so if you have issues you can try to fix them while there.

I went way further with my striker and put a brass wire brush wheel in my hand drill and polished the hell out of it. Making SURE all the crud was removed from the entire surface, including the channels. Final result was a uniformly smooth and clean striker that didn't hang at all. Normally I wouldn't lube a striker (Springfield XD's will light primer strike if lubed there and gunk up quickly requiring a thorough cleaning) but I added a light amount of tetra and the dry fire sound is much louder (though I don't seem to have spring issues).

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2014, 01:06:06 AM »
    I am still a little unsure if the tab is necessary for the newer VZ2008. I was going to get a Npap underfolder until I saw the VZ2008s on sale for so cheap. I love my CZ handguns and rifles so much I was very interested in the VZ. I have been doing a lot of research and mostly like what I am hearing. Would I need the tab to be as reliable as an AK? I am mostly looking to get into the 7.62x39 round for fun but I figure if I'm going to get another semi-auto rifle it should be compact and reliable. I think I am hearing that ya'll don't all agree if the tab is needed in the newer VZ2008 or not. I have never handled one but have shot a few AKs. I love my AR but think the 7.62 is a great round and $399 for a complete rifle with extras is very hard to resist. So do most believe the tad is manditory?

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2014, 01:11:31 AM »
Most of the new VZ owners that have been introduced recently due to the current deals going on right now have not reported any issues with thier rifles. It is assumed that Century has addressed the issue with other means. I would say get the rifle and see for yourself. If your rifle needs the tab there are services avaiable to get it done.

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2014, 01:39:24 AM »
The VZ2008 is hands down a better rifle than equivalently priced AKs. 

Even if you need a $50 tab, you're still in much cheaper than what you are with the hosts of problems you get with $500 AKs (usually another $300+ of fitting/reliability upgrades in my experience).  And you get a rifle that for many intents was decades ahead of its time and for which most of the AKs ergonomic dings by the AR crowd are not applicable.  Instead of spending that $ to get your weapon running, you can spend it on customizations -- muzzle brakes, railed handguards/top covers, optics, etc. 

But the VZ2008 from Palmetto is at most a $325 rifle.  It simply can't be beat.  Parts kits are at least $275 these days...
My long term goal is to own 5 or 6 of the VZ2008s b/c I find them such an extreme value and such an aberration insofar as it's one build that Century for the most part hasn't screwed up -- their Centurion AKs will milled receivers, etc, seem to have really informed them on how to build milled receiver-ed weapons well (i.e., subcontract them out to competent firms rather than have untrained, poorly trained workers do that in house...).  And b/c they are such a value, I'm considering buying them much earlier than I intended.

The closest price competitor with similar features is the Sig 556R at $1k-$1500 depending, and it's a long-stroke rather than short stroke piston design.  For function roles, the 300 BLK ARs and/or AKs peform very similar roles.  The 300 BLK ARs are roughly the same function and ergo equivalents however.  And even if reloading, 300 BLK ammo costs 50% than bulk milspec steel Russian 7.62x39...  (300 BLK also has a bunch of subsonic loadings, but that's an entirely separate discussion.) 
And I don't know if you follow Arsenal AKs much, but they did a big promo around their Arsenal SAM7 SF-84 AK Rifle.  Basically, they foreshadowed w/ advertising that they were doing this groundbreaking innovation on the AK platform that woudl forever revolutionize AKs and allow the platform to achieve it's full potential.  What was the revolution?  A milled reciever.  How much do they cost.  $1400+.  How much do they weigh empty? Over than a 1.5 lbs more than the VZ58/2008.  (Add nearly another lb for the AK steel versus the VZ58's nearly as strong as steel aluminum mags.)

Bottom line, if you can scrape together $400, buy a PSA VZ2008.  If you can't, use a credit card.  With near 100% certainty, I think you'll be able to sell the rifle for more than $325 you have in it at nearly any point if selling the mags separately for the going rate of $75 per 4 with pouch (sell the 5th mag with the rifle).
And if you like a tubed folding stock on the Arsenal, Stormwerkz adapters and Ace folding stocks can be added to a VZ2008 for $120. 

Basically, for $750 (upgrading/modernizing everything), you'll have a rifle that will outperform $1500 ARs with a round far superior to the 223 w/in 300m, and a round that's 25% cheaper than equivalent Russian steel bulk .223.  Even 5.45x39 these days costs the same as 7.62x39.  It's cheap, reliable, and capable.  What's not to love? 
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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2014, 08:17:58 AM »
Thanks for the reply.  I will most likely be ordering one from PSA. I had how long they take to ship but it is worth the savings. I like simple so I will not be doing heavy mods. Maybe the Bonesteel top rail for a red dot and a flash light.
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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2014, 11:51:57 AM »
Debating whether to grab one of these from Aim, or a well priced milled Polish AK that I found local. Who currently offers the tabbing service, should it be required?

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2014, 12:11:51 PM »
Stickied at top of forum.  Forced March. $50.

PSA is currently $100 cheaper for maybe $30-40 less in accessories...

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2014, 12:15:23 PM »
Stickied at top of forum.  Forced March. $50.

PSA is currently $100 cheaper for maybe $30-40 less in accessories...

Awesome, thanks for the info. I'm going to try and grab one this month.

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2014, 12:24:47 PM »
Actually, looking at Cheapo's post: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=64926.0

It's the exact same accessory package.  So the same thing all around for $100 cheaper.  (I thought it was just the rifle and mags, with no cleaning kit, sling, and bayonet, but I was incorrect in that...)

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Re: CAI VZ2008 no tab on bolt carrier? Bolt stickiness? Here's why.....
« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2014, 03:11:59 PM »
Debating whether to grab one of these from Aim, or a well priced milled Polish AK that I found local. Who currently offers the tabbing service, should it be required?

That milled polish sounds interesting...how much do they go for?  Looked up some pics and they look really nice.