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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2014, 06:43:49 PM »
Congrats on your purchase!

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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2014, 09:24:10 PM »
Looking forward to your range report.

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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2014, 10:02:11 PM »
Glad you got it 1SOW.  I do like the sound of that low bore axis. 
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2014, 11:23:50 PM »
Just one last pre-shoot comment.   This pistol is LIGHT compared to my Sig 239.  The R51 is listed at 20 ozs  while Sig is listed at 30+ ozs.  With a generic cheapy holster,  it feels waaay lighter and considerably thinner on or in the waistband.  Total Length is not far from the same, but the bbl on the R-51 is also much smaller.

P.S.  I won TWO bug stages in our fun shoot today using the Sig.   Sure hope this thing shoots as well.  ;D

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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2014, 11:35:26 PM »
Congrats, can't wait to hear your report.
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2014, 09:14:42 AM »
1SOW,

The R-51 has a distinct disadvantage.  You are going to be comparing it to a P239. 

However, if you end up liking the R-51, it will convince me it must be REALLY good. ;D
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2014, 04:39:34 PM »
Finally, a guinea pig steps up to the plate.  I look forward to hearing how it shoots.
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2014, 06:25:14 PM »
I set up two targets, one at 7yds and one at 10 yards with multiple  small targets on each.
I brought 133PF 124gr JHP bullet loads and 1165 fps 124hbrn loads to test the pistol.

I shot at the 7yd  target first---multiple 2" red stick-on bulls. 
The group was within 2" , but two-three inches to the right.  I looked at the sights and found:

Problem #1.  The rear site was skewed right maybe 1/8" overhanging the slide.   One light tap with the brass rod and the slide moved too far left.  I tapped it back approx. center and shot again.  Hit the two inch bulls with a shot or two.,  and the sight moved.
I could push the dovetail sight 1/4" with thumb pressure.
I shot some more (checking the rear sight often) and my trigger finger was getting sore on the pad and on the bottom side.

Problem #2 - the grip safety.  The grip safety is NOT smooth like on a 1911.  After quite a bit of force,  it "pops" (AUDIBLY) into the frame.
If your grip moves/relaxes  it will come back out just a little bit.  The trigger pull weight seems to increase/rub as the safety retracts until finally, it won't fire. 
The pistol actually has a long reach to the trigger (as long or longer than a CZ 75B in DA).  I have a short fat trigger finger.  This made a Perfect Storm  for trouble with the pull.  I had to consciously squeeze hard 100% of the time shooting to keep the safety disengaged.  This screwed up my trigger press.  After 20-30 shots my finger needed a rest. 
The trigger pull is very heavy (pure guess = 10+#  and very rough) when it's not carefully pressed exactly stright back.  The left side of the black trigger showed the finish worn off to shiny metal.  It is very rough in the pull.  The trigger guard is small---just slightly bigger than my trigger finger.   As the trigger was pulled the bottom of my finger rubbed the trigger guard

The grip safety strap sticks up past the grip surface and moves easily back to a l m o s t flush with the frame as the slack takes up,  THEN it takes a firm press to disengage the safety with a "POP".  There is zero extra safety thickness to ensure it remains off when gripped.  Two layers of grip tape on that strap, might make it easier to shoot.  I don't know.

I shot about 60-70 rds, resting my hand and trigger finger periodically.  The gun shoots to point of aim at 10 yards---not bad at all.  Standing unsupported with two hands and being careful,   I could hit inside 2" x 2" tape at 10 yards---until the rear sight moved.

Epic part B>
1.  Ejections were straight right from the ejection port and landed 6-12 feet away depending on which load was being fired.
2.  The pistol points fine.  The three dot sights are very distinct and easy to use.  I used the TOP of the sights and hit -1" from POA  at these distances.
3.  The two 7-rd magazines ran smoothly and dropped fine. 
4.  Ambidextrous mag releases:  Right side hard to depress.  Left side smooth.
5.  Muzzle flip was not bad at all.  I shot strong hand and weakhand with both loads with good hits.  I did get two instances of "limp-wrist" where one  case jammed and another just "fell" out of the port.  All likely my fault being used to heavier weight pistols almost impossible to limp-wrist.

I still like the Pedersen action  and found it very functional in this short experience.
I think the trigger and safety both need work.  If the grip safety was smoother and more reliable and the trigger was made to pull smoothly at 6#,  I would like the pistol.  As-is,  I'm not happy.
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2014, 10:17:13 PM »
Sorry to hear 1SOW.  Why on earth would Remington release a firearm before they at least made sure the rear sights don't move :o This isn't the first time I read about that happening, but thought maybe it was just a fluke. Then the heavy trigger pull???? They bill it as a single action trigger but what you witnessed sounds far from it.  From the sounds of your review, and others on the web, it's basically a good design. They just didn't put enough thought and care into it. Kinda makes you wonder who's in charge of their quality control on the R51, and how much input they have on their other firearms.
   Thank-you for being the guinea pig and taking the time to let us know your thoughts.
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2014, 10:44:21 PM »
The rear sight being loose wasn't a deal-breaker---easy to remedy.  I tried to fire a full 7 rd mag in rapid fire and physically couldn't do it.  The amount of force it took to hold the safety off and still be able to flex my trigger finger fast was more than I could do.   Now someone with a normal length/longer trigger finger length likely could mange it.  Note:  I can do this easily with three models of full size CZ 75 DA/SA triggers and a Sig DA/SA---all with first pull being DA.     My wife tried the trigger in the kitchen and had trouble pulling the trigger in dry fire.  Her comment: "My God!"

I wouldn't recommend this pistol.  The two main issues are bad in an otherwise pretty neat pistol.

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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2014, 02:03:23 AM »
1SOW,

Your experience is mirrored by what the Military Arms Channel on Youtube has seen with the first batch of guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ65wbjq6t0

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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2014, 04:32:29 AM »
Sounds like you have a perfect candidate for a return 1sow. Not impressed with Remington on their QC. One of the first videos I watched on the R51 was the Gunblast video. He seemed impressed with his gun. To bad Remington seems to want to use customers as their QC, and give themselves a bad rap. Its going to cost them unnecessary money and headaches (lost guns, extra work, reputation, etc.). Hopefully they stop shipping, and get their act together. Sounds like they have a potentially great product on their hands, yet they are willing to roll the dice, and send us (their Bread and Butter) a product that you might expect from China. Here is to hoping they get some pride in what they deliver.
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2014, 10:56:00 AM »
Thanks for the post 1SOW.  You can't beat an honest review.

I wonder if Remington will be tweaking the grip safety, etc.    I sure wanted to like it. 
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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2014, 11:30:35 AM »
Great review 1SOW! Was going to try and find one to test at the range but after your review I'm not going to waste my time.

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Re: Anyone buy a Remington R51 yesterday?
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2014, 11:52:46 PM »
Valuable information for many of us who've been waiting for the release of this pistol. I was hoping they'd do something special with the R51, as I still have Remington loyalty from past experiences. As others have stated, I can't believe they would issue a firearm with this lack of quality control. It's disappointing, as I had a Remington 1100 shotgun for years that was a warrior taking much abuse in the fields, woods, islands and marshes around salt water and mud with with no problems, and I still have an 870  that is dependable to this day. I've heard about problems with the 1187s and some of their newer shotguns, so I've moved on to Beretta and haven't looked back. Remington should be proud of its American made products, but experiences like this mean there are big problems ahead if nothing is done. I sincerely hope they stop production to smooth out this pistol and issue an invitation to owners to fix the ones they've sold to date. These are the only reasonable alternatives.
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