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Offline RSR

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Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« on: March 22, 2014, 06:11:56 AM »
Anyone know or know where I can find the number of Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US?  Curious about Century's production #s, CzechPoint's, and Parts Kit quantity and eventual scarcity. 

Wikipedia says there were about 920,000 produced, but curious about how many have made their way to the US as complete guns and/or parts kits.

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 02:37:00 AM »
BTT.  Bueller?  Bueller?  Bueller?  Bueller?

http://youtu.be/KS6f1MKpLGM?t=16s

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2014, 06:04:42 AM »
Really curious about these numbers.  Looking into doing some group buys and might splurge to qualify for lower rates and resell the rest if I know there's a market for them.   Based upon the limited response/interest on the Ambi Mag Releases, I'm questioning buying anything in 100 quantities which is the volume needed for best rates.

God forbid.  The wife: You spent how many dollars on gun parts that no one wants!?

In particular, I'm considering a tactical bolt release and bipod group buy.   But will be posting re: that in a month or so.
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2014, 06:18:14 PM »
The century rifles are built using a US made receiver and a US made barrel. Any of the VZ2008s shouldn't be included in the counts as the parts that come from overseas are likely spares


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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2014, 10:51:49 PM »
My understanding is opposite -- Century using demilled parts kits and CSA using NOS parts from armorer repair kits and/or newly manufactured parts for their builds. 

Just wondering if anyone knew Czechpoint/Dtechnic production numbers and/or Century?

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2014, 10:04:49 PM »
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1CVZ2008&name=Czech+VZ58+(Century+Arms+Mod+VZ2008)+7.62x39+Rifle&search=Vz2008

Century International Arms VZ2008 7.62x39 caliber semi-automatic Rifles. Originally issued to the Czech army in 1958, the VZ58 is still in use by both the Czech and Slovak armies, their police and customs agents. Though similar to the other rifles of this style in appearance, the VZ58 uses a completely different bolt and fire control system. Even with a machined receiver, the VZ2008 is lighter than most similarly styled firearms with a sheet metal receiver. Features a U.S. made receiver machined out of a bar of premium steel and a quality U.S. made barrel. All metal parts are bead blasted and coated with a non reflective finish. Includes 5-30rd magazines, Magazine Pouch, Bayonet & Scabbard and Sling. Leather mag pouch, mags and accessories will vary in color and condition!


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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 11:20:49 PM »
BTT. 

Anyone know Century's production numbers?  To help us guesstimate maybe we can share our serial numbers -- ballpark, not exact -- to crowdsource estimates?

I emailed their corporate and all I got was a: "We only have a few thousand left to sell" answer.  Not sure why it's apparently some sort of trade secret...

I know of at least 3 separate iterations of Century.  The first gen and earliest had the Czech spec receivers with narrow rails (if I had to guess, I'd say it was an ORF receiver).  The second I'm aware of are the B&R Machine market receivers.  And the third gen are the most recent ones.

(x=a number I'm not listing, but serial # examples if I have them).

Palmetto State Armory showed 2700 in stock yesterday... Not sure of inventories elsewhere. 

Here are the highest #s I have:
1st -- I don't have one so don't know the serial # convention or have any quantity insight.
2nd -- B&R marked, "VZ08-002xxBR" serial number, a number in the high 200s
3rd -- Just Century marked, "VZ08PM-0028xx" serial number, a number in the high 2800s.

Curious if we can crowdsource the answer.  Thanks!
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 12:07:03 AM »
Mine is a VZ08-003xxBR
SP-01 Shadow
P-01 + 40B slide = 40P
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vz2008
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 02:28:12 AM »
Mine are VZ08PM-0086xx and 0092xx.

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 03:53:03 AM »
I think both mine and my fathers we just got from AIM Surplus are in the 0069XX range, so lower than TJNewton's.
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 09:20:51 AM »
Mine VZ08 is 8504, picked up 3 weeks ago.

Speaking of rarity, I had my first instance yesterday where the guy at Sportsmans didn't have a clue what a VZ58 is. When I mentioned the rifle, he just had a deer-in-headlights look, where you could tell he obviously didn't know what I was talking about. When he asked another employee for ideas on the optics I was looking at, he just said "it's a project he's working on". Ha!

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2014, 11:49:35 AM »
Thanks all!  Please keep them coming.

My rough guess is about 20k of these were made total by Century, with 10-15k currently being in owners hands.  As far as how many Czechpoint is selling and has sold, I have no idea. 

For comparison, Canada only had "9,394 CZ-858s" in country at time of the ban: http://www.cztalk.com/The-Canadian-Government-coming-for-CZ858-rifles.html

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2014, 01:26:29 AM »
This isn't very helpful, but I may be able to get the number of Dtechnic rifles imported by CZ-USA.  I'll send an email when I log off from here. 
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2014, 04:02:26 AM »
I'm guessing zero from CZ-USA. Dan Brown over at Czechpoint told me that ALL the D-Technik/CSA guns were imported by Czechpoint.
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2014, 03:26:20 PM »
I would hazard a guess the companies are not likely to give you exact numbers as a company security measure. The only place that would have exact numbers imported of actual rifles, (DTechnik/CSA) would be the US State Dept. As for the Century rebuilds, AFTE might know, they might not - I have never been a firearms manufacturer for profit, so I don't know exactly what requirements there are. I would think the reporting only comes at point of sale, and that's only on bound book as the Brady check only says "long gun/Handgun", IIRC.

You would also have to look at home builds on both Century receivers and OGW receivers, plus OGW complete rifles sold back in the day.

 

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