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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2015, 05:50:51 AM »
Thanks DB.

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You are absolutely correct in all aspects.   5,600 rifles in 4 years is a very small number in the firearms business here in the USA.   When you compare vz.58 rifle sales to AR-15 and AK type rifle sales in the USA, the vz.58 doesn't even move the needle on the scale.   Even though the vz.58 is a great rifle, the majority of military-type rifle owners are not interested in it.   And, the few people who are interested in venturing outside of the AK or AR-15 world will often refer to the internet for vz.58 information.   
Source: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49783.msg300395#msg300395

5,600 4 years = 1,400 rifles per year.

So through 2012 plus 2013 and 2014 = 8,400 continuing the trend across 6 years.
And doubling sales the most recent 2 years would be 11,200 over 6 years.

There were some rifles in country before Czechpoint w/ CZ-USA/Dtechnic markings, but uncertain how many...

Again, supporting the proposition that we've had a substantial increase in VZ58s and variants in one year due to the VZ2008 deals...
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2015, 04:48:52 PM »
Anyone else have a Paragon marked receiver?  Or pictures of it.  We might have a 4th variant of VZ2008 receiver...  Thanks to CollectorVegas for research bringing this overlooked one to light.

I just received a new VZ2008 from Century Arms part number RI2149-X. Receiver is marked VZ2008 Sporter Paragon MFG Inc. Westfield, MA. The bolt carrier is not tabbed and the trigger dis-connector tab has not been modified. Only visible modification is that the bolt carrier hump has been rounded off in the area that contacts the dis-connector. I contacted Century Customer support and asked them how they are addressing the miss-fire (gremlin) problem. The person I spoke with was not aware of any problems with this rifle and told me to contact their Tech Desk. Sent off an email and haven't heard back yet. Don't want to shoot it until it is repaired. This is a design flaw that needs to be addressed.   
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2015, 05:38:18 PM »
Reply number 19

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49783.msg300001#msg300001

Wow!  How the heck did ya track that down? You ARE Daniel Boone!  ;D
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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2015, 01:03:40 AM »
Haha - I do indeed do a lot of walkn in the hills of Kentucky ;)

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2015, 09:02:15 AM »
No one has a serial below 0014X? I must have jumped on this train early

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2015, 02:58:22 PM »
My first generation Century VZ2008 Sporter with fixed stock bought sometime mid 2012 is S/N VZ052XX.  Yes, that is not a typo, that's how many digits it has.  It is engraved on left side just below the rear sight.

My third generation Century Sporter VZ2008 with folding stock bought earlier this year is S/N VZ08PM-0018XX and is dot-punch engraved left side down by the magazine well.

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Recently purchased Czechpoint SA vz.58 Sporter .223 Rem Pistol S/N 56003XXCA.

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We have close ones. Mine with S/N VZ053XX, fixed stock, bought from a small dealer in Missouri.

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2015, 04:11:48 PM »
So out of 920,000 originals produced how many are left in ze vorld? 

-1 This one probably got turned into a kit, eh?

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2015, 08:02:51 PM »
Ok - gonna need the story on that one?!?

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2015, 09:30:00 PM »
I know how the story ended, BOOM. MY FACE!!! AAAAHHHHH!!
Where safety glasses people!

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2015, 12:35:23 AM »
I have the 3rd generation vz08pm 009??? could you all tell me if they did anything for the gremlin fix on this generation and what about year and if it was beginning of the year or later in the year thanks for sharing your thoughts on this I would really appreciate it thanks again

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2015, 12:41:09 AM »
I meant the year  century built it sorry but the gremlin is what I'm really  trying to find out if they did anything  for it thanks again you all have been great and I am happy to be apart of this forum

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2015, 03:28:08 AM »
Read the stickied gremlin thread.  You need a tab.  Contact ForcedMarch -- also a sticky.

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2015, 11:41:52 AM »
Anyone else have a Paragon marked receiver?  Or pictures of it.  We might have a 4th variant of VZ2008 receiver...  Thanks to CollectorVegas for research bringing this overlooked one to light.

I just received a new VZ2008 from Century Arms part number RI2149-X. Receiver is marked VZ2008 Sporter Paragon MFG Inc. Westfield, MA. The bolt carrier is not tabbed and the trigger dis-connector tab has not been modified. Only visible modification is that the bolt carrier hump has been rounded off in the area that contacts the dis-connector. I contacted Century Customer support and asked them how they are addressing the miss-fire (gremlin) problem. The person I spoke with was not aware of any problems with this rifle and told me to contact their Tech Desk. Sent off an email and haven't heard back yet. Don't want to shoot it until it is repaired. This is a design flaw that needs to be addressed.   
One of mine is marked Paragon.  S/N VZ08-0016XPM

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Re: Number of VZ58s and variants imported into the US
« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2015, 09:30:24 PM »
I bought one from classicfirearms last week and received a rifle with a receiver marked paragon mfg inc.

The disconnector is not modified and the bolt carrier  has been rounded off on the disconnector side.

http://imgur.com/a/eWmpT

I experienced the gremlin today firing it for the 2nd time. Hopefully forcedmarch fabrication can fix it up for me.

 

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