Do I really need a firing pin block?

[J57ltr]

Well, as the title states. I really don't see any reason why I need this feature and it seems to add a ton of grittiness to the trigger pull. I have a 75B and it has a much better trigger than the T-120, but I can still feel the movement of the fpb.

Jeff

[steerclr]

All the discussions I've seen up to now question the "legal" aspect of removing a "safety mechanism" from a gun.  Do you really need it?  Well, they make the 85 Combat model without one.

[jwc007]

In a Match Target Pistol, probably not.  That said, I still would not remove it!

In a defensive Handgun, removing any part of a Pistol's Safety System MIGHT be used against you by an over-zealous prosecuter, should there be any question of your actions.

[J57ltr]

It's not a defensive pistol it's going to be for target shooting. I own several other pistols namely a 70 and 80 series Colt 1911's. My only accidental discharge has been with the 80 series, which has a fpb so much for that being a safety feature. Besides if I'm in a situation where I'm being prosecuted for something a fpb isn't going to come up that's just absurd.

[steerclr]

It's just some feedback on your question.  I agree it's better to be convicted by 12 than carried by six, but you asked why you need this feature.  It's the only one I could come up with, I'm sure somebody else can offer other reasons.

[BGlas]

It prevents the firing pin from moving forward and striking the primer if the hammer falls due to some influence other than the trigger (but you probably already know that).  After parts from CGW and a little elbow grease I can't really feel it when I pull the trigger, so for me I'm keeping it as it may prevent an accidental discharge when nothing else will.

If I was bullseye shooting with a dedicated gun, I might consider removing it; but after seeing what JoeL can do with a P-09 w/ FPB I really doubt I would.

The only time I can think legal crap would come out of it is if (heaven forbid) there is an accidental discharge that injures someone (or worse) and it's traced back to the lack of a FPB when there was one previously...  Maybe. 

[AZ_CZ]

If your trigger pull is that gritty I would suggest doing a full action polish job including the FP, the FP channel, and the FP lifter arm. I don't feel the FP on mine. I thought it would make a big difference and removed it from my dedicated target 97B when I converted to SA, but if it did I can't tell.

[gdawgs56]

I don't even feel the FPB on my SP01 after getting a nice trigger job and new hammer from CZC, along with lighter mainspring.

It's a nice safety feature, and I'm leaving it be since this is my HD pistol (along with a 12ga) That being said, if it was a strictly range/Competion only pistol, I might consider removing it.


-Jason

[1SOW]

Well, as the title states. I really don't see any reason why I need this feature and it seems to add a ton of grittiness to the trigger pull. I have a 75B and it has a much better trigger than the T-120, but I can still feel the movement of the fpb.

Jeff

You don't 'need' it,  but the grittiness can be fixed/reduced.   Remove the FP and polish part #58 (Firing Pin Block Stop).  Polish the FP while it's out for a better strike. The FPB does add distance to the pull,  any rough friction in the action can be felt .    Polish all the friction areas in the action ( all shown in pics in the stickies.)
The stock hammer hooks require a longer pull as it cams back before dropping.  .
Switching to a CZC comp hammer or the CGW Race hammer removes that camming back and makes the trigger very noticeably smoother and cleaner.

I have a 75B with this work done and it's as "smooth" as my 75 Shadow Custom without the FPB.

[Brian Ahearn]

I am running two of mine with out the firing pin blocks , you can clean it up with polishing as the others have said. I removed them because its my preference to do so. I have not removed them from all my sar pistols . It does greatly improve trigger feel.

[twowheels]

You don't need it.  The shadows and the 85Cs don't have them.  You can get a shorter reset without the fbp.  I prefer the trigger without them. 

[J57ltr]

I guess I am just spoiled, I'm used to single stage and 2 stage triggers on my other firearms. I will probably wait I think I will go ahead and send it in, so I'm going to wait until I get it back before I modify anything.

Jeff

[10mmdude]

I have the FPB removed in my P120, it's one of the first things I do with a new pistol

It's not as drastic on the canik pistol as it is with a CZ as they use a different style FPB lifter system, no spring on the canik...

I still matched the two contact points where the trigger bar contacts, I think it slightly shortened the reset but not drastic like a CZ

You could always polish the block and bore and then use a CGW reduced power FPB spring

[jwc007]

It's not as drastic on the canik pistol as it is with a CZ as they use a different style FPB lifter system, no spring on the canik...

IF the Canik Pistols use the same Martin Tuma designed Firing Pin Block as do the Tanfoglio Pistols, where the trigger releases the Firing Pin Block, rather than push via the trigger, there should be no adverse effect on trigger pull from the Firing Pin Block. Hence, why bother with it at all.

[10mmdude]

It's not as drastic on the canik pistol as it is with a CZ as they use a different style FPB lifter system, no spring on the canik...

IF the Canik Pistols use the same Martin Tuma designed Firing Pin Block as do the Tanfoglio Pistols, where the trigger releases the Firing Pin Block, rather than push via the trigger, there should be no adverse effect on trigger pull from the Firing Pin Block. Hence, why bother with it at all.

I'm not sure if I read that as a statement or a question lol, I'm not sure what the Martin tuma design is either but I'll look it up on google

The canik p120 uses the same style as cz but with no spring it is keyed, the lifter arm is of different geometry and there for times the gun a little different..
The trigger bar does not have to go forward as far to engage the lifter arm, take up, then the lifter bar and sear are making same contact..

Don't know if that was described good to a question I don't even know was a question or not lol