new CZ for production?

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i have been shooting a Springfield XDM 5.25 9mm in production uspsa for 2 years. however, i have a fever, and the only prescription, is CZ! i have a P-07, but was thinking SP-01. a friend has a CZ75 BD he's selling for a great price. Opinions? now don't be shy.

I have just started looking at CZ I own a fair amount of guns but no CZ and wanted to add one just to have one.  Plus starting shooting USPSA Production and wanted to get one that would work for that also.

Like the SP 01 but would love to have the Shadow but a lot of money.  Just started searching this site to get some information and ideas on which way to go.

I'm new here but in the same boat.  Spent some time today test driving a couple different SP-01 Shadow models from CZ Custom and found what I liked.  I wouldn't mind test-driving a CZ-75 Shadow (non-rail) to see what difference the short dust cover makes on recoil/transitions, but the FLDC of the SP-01 didn't cause me any difficulties today. 

[Canuck44]

i have been shooting a Springfield XDM 5.25 9mm in production uspsa for 2 years. however, i have a fever, and the only prescription, is CZ! i have a P-07, but was thinking SP-01. a friend has a CZ75 BD he's selling for a great price. Opinions? now don't be shy.

I have just started looking at CZ I own a fair amount of guns but no CZ and wanted to add one just to have one.  Plus starting shooting USPSA Production and wanted to get one that would work for that also.

Like the SP 01 but would love to have the Shadow but a lot of money.  Just started searching this site to get some information and ideas on which way to go.

I'm new here but in the same boat.  Spent some time today test driving a couple different SP-01 Shadow models from CZ Custom and found what I liked.  I wouldn't mind test-driving a CZ-75 Shadow (non-rail) to see what difference the short dust cover makes on recoil/transitions, but the FLDC of the SP-01 didn't cause me any difficulties today.

I just got a 75 Shadowline.  Gun, as you know comes with the standard dust cover.  I can't tell the difference between it and my old Shadow I had.  Some say they can but I can\t.  The gun is lighter by virtue of the shorter dust cover which I prefer for transitions.  I will use the gun mostly in IDPA when I am not playing with my GP-100.    I do like the aluminum  thin grips that come with the gun.  With a 13# trigger spring the DA pull should be excellent. 

If I was going to only use a gun for IPSC/USPSA I would buy the Shadow, change the springs and go play.  I don't see where it makes much difference to play with the trigger on the Shadow.  I doubt most shoot any better, before or after a trigger job.  I do concede though when you are slowly dry firing the gun at home the trigger will feel smoother.  Frankly, when the buzzer goes off I never feel any grittiness in the trigger when shooting.  It may make a difference for those at the very top of the food chain but for most, I am not sure the money would not be better spent buying ammo.  If Vogel and others can win with stock guns there is no reason, other than lack of talent, why any of us can't win with the same guns.

Take Care

Bob

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i have been shooting a Springfield XDM 5.25 9mm in production uspsa for 2 years. however, i have a fever, and the only prescription, is CZ! i have a P-07, but was thinking SP-01. a friend has a CZ75 BD he's selling for a great price. Opinions? now don't be shy.

I have just started looking at CZ I own a fair amount of guns but no CZ and wanted to add one just to have one.  Plus starting shooting USPSA Production and wanted to get one that would work for that also.

Like the SP 01 but would love to have the Shadow but a lot of money.  Just started searching this site to get some information and ideas on which way to go.

I'm new here but in the same boat.  Spent some time today test driving a couple different SP-01 Shadow models from CZ Custom and found what I liked.  I wouldn't mind test-driving a CZ-75 Shadow (non-rail) to see what difference the short dust cover makes on recoil/transitions, but the FLDC of the SP-01 didn't cause me any difficulties today.

I just got a 75 Shadowline.  Gun, as you know comes with the standard dust cover.  I can't tell the difference between it and my old Shadow I had.  Some say they can but I can\t.  The gun is lighter by virtue of the shorter dust cover which I prefer for transitions.  I will use the gun mostly in IDPA when I am not playing with my GP-100.    I do like the aluminum  thin grips that come with the gun.  With a 13# trigger spring the DA pull should be excellent. 

If I was going to only use a gun for IPSC/USPSA I would buy the Shadow, change the springs and go play.  I don't see where it makes much difference to play with the trigger on the Shadow.  I doubt most shoot any better, before or after a trigger job.  I do concede though when you are slowly dry firing the gun at home the trigger will feel smoother.  Frankly, when the buzzer goes off I never feel any grittiness in the trigger when shooting.  It may make a difference for those at the very top of the food chain but for most, I am not sure the money would not be better spent buying ammo.  If Vogel and others can win with stock guns there is no reason, other than lack of talent, why any of us can't win with the same guns.

Take Care

Bob

IMO lightening up the trigger and shortening the reset helps more when going fast.  I think the faster and shorter reset results in less finger movement and less slapping of the trigger on the follow-up shots.  1911/2011 triggers are a good example of this where the short reset keeps you from jerking the trigger when shooting .15 to .20 sec splits.  I typically set my triggers for 2.5 to 2.75 lbs on my competition guns and my Bill Drill times/hits are quite a bit better than when I run the same drill with my carry guns that are in the neighborhood of 3.5 to 4 lbs.  Easily half second or more difference, and usually with better hits. 

I can run a stock Glock trigger pretty accurately when I take the time to prep the trigger and take up all the slack.  But when trying to haul ass that fine trigger control is one of the first thing that goes out the window.  But drop in a Zev or Vanek trigger that lightens and smooths up the pull as well as shortens the reset, and the results are pretty plain to behold.  I know it helps me drive the gun more aggressively and its one less thing to focus on while on the clock. 

[Canuck44]

I have read with some interest the use of the Pre B Disconnector to shorten the reset.  How much does it shorten.  My Shadowline gun is noticeably shorter than my 85 Combat and I am working in my double taps now.  I am at best .19 - .20 of a second which is not great but it is what it is.  Anything to get the gun to run just a tad faster should eventually show up in my times.

Take Care

Bob

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How much does it shorten. 

IMO, about half. 

[apexer]

How much does it shorten. 

IMO, about half.

This was my experience as well, about half. A great upgrade for the money!

[Alpha Sierra]

If Vogel and others can win with stock guns there is no reason, other than lack of talent, why any of us can't win with the same guns.

I seriously doubt Vogel and other top shooters use unmodified, stock pistols.

[Canuck44]

If Vogel and others can win with stock guns there is no reason, other than lack of talent, why any of us can't win with the same guns.

I seriously doubt Vogel and other top shooters use unmodified, stock pistols.

Vogel used a stock G 17 to win the World IPSC Production title a few years back in Greece.  He wrote the gun only had new sights which are allowed.  I suspect he knew his gun would be examined very closely by Euro IPSC officials.  IPSC does not allow the mods USPSA does and has a 5lb minimum first pull on the trigger.  This means Vogel was stuck with a 5lb trigger vs the DA SA guns where SA triggers run around 2lbs. 

His win looked good on the Europeans IMHO.

Take Care

Bob

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Vogel shot USPSA Nationals in Limited division this year with a Glock.  I know because I RO'd him when he came thru the stage I was working in St. George.

But BV's Glock was far from stock.  It had a piccatinney  rail mounted to the right side of the slide and a flashlight underneath.  I'm not sure what purpose the pic rail served, but I'm guessing the flashlight was for weight to help the gun shoot flatter.  From what I understand, the flashlight was inert and within the USPSA rules for Limited Division, circa the 2014 rulebook. 

There's no doubt in my mind Vogel is a great shooter, and watching him in action with the Super Squad was a treat.  Was the extra weight on the gun needed?  Don't know, didn't ask him, but he was within 1.1% of beating the National Ltd champion who incidentally was shooting a 2011.  But the point is, he wasn't shooting a stock Glock at the 2014 Nats. 

[Canuck44]

No maybe not but IPSC Production is a while different kettle of fish.  No special after market parts, even the springs have to be stock.  You can change the sights and grips and you can polish internals but are not allowed to remove metal - not sure how that is accomplished, and must have a minimum 5lb trigger pull.  He did it in Greece with a Glock 17.  The 34/35 are not allowed in IPSC Production.

Take Care

Bob

[Smitty79]

From a cost standpoint, you can get a fixed site Shadow for about $1200.    It needs no modifications from there to get you to IDPA or USPSA Master.    On the other hand, even if you hand load, an active shooter will spend that on ammo every year.   Get the right gun and shoot the snot out of it.   

[Canuck44]

From a cost standpoint, you can get a fixed site Shadow for about $1200.    It needs no modifications from there to get you to IDPA or USPSA Master.    On the other hand, even if you hand load, an active shooter will spend that on ammo every year.   Get the right gun and shoot the snot out of it.

Are the regular CZ UB Shadows not available in the US?  They go for around $850Cdn up here.  The 75 Shadowline and a "Canadian" Shadow go for around $1,100Cdn.  The latter two have trigger work done at the factory and come with different grips and levers.

Take Care

Bob

[danno_man]

Vogel shot USPSA Nationals in Limited division this year with a Glock.  I know because I RO'd him when he came thru the stage I was working in St. George.

But BV's Glock was far from stock.  It had a piccatinney  rail mounted to the right side of the slide and a flashlight underneath.  I'm not sure what purpose the pic rail served, but I'm guessing the flashlight was for weight to help the gun shoot flatter.  From what I understand, the flashlight was inert and within the USPSA rules for Limited Division, circa the 2014 rulebook. 

There's no doubt in my mind Vogel is a great shooter, and watching him in action with the Super Squad was a treat.  Was the extra weight on the gun needed?  Don't know, didn't ask him, but he was within 1.1% of beating the National Ltd champion who incidentally was shooting a 2011.  But the point is, he wasn't shooting a stock Glock at the 2014 Nats.

BV's gun



And he is an awesome shooter.  The times he's came across the state to shoot/train at a friends range I've been busy.  Maybe next time he's in town.

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On the other hand, even if you hand load, an active shooter will spend that on ammo every year.   

^Very true.  Buying the gun is just a one time cost.  Keeping it fed with ammo... that's the on-going cost.  Figure roughly $120/K is my reloading cost, and I shoot about 12-15K per year.  That's easily the price of a new CZC gun going down the barrel each year. 

[cityhunt3r]

got my sp01 for 680 + dros