Slings

[RSR]

Another option is a single point bungee. Not very original, but I can slip it to the side to access my pistol or disconnect for maneuverability.

Single point slings are great if you like hitting nuts with your rifle/carbine when you don't have both hands (on your rifle). Pun intended.  Because if you don't have your hands on either rifle covering or holding either "rifle". The rifle/carbine is probably gonna hit your nuts. Or you could wear a cup all the time.

+1. 

If you only need to carry your rifle for a few minutes at a time and are going to be fighting indoors and needing to transition corners in multiple directions, then single point is okay -- think Delta Force or SWAT teams.  Everyone else is better served with  a two point.   When you anticipate needing to transition shoulders for corners, just carry it around your neck a la Israeli Carry.  Every other time you need to transition, you can just throw the rifle behind you (sling over your mounting shoulder -- e.g., right hand shooter, sling coming over right hand shoulder and under left armpit).  Even if you don't throw it all the way, it's rotated enough to not impede drawign your pistol...

The only rifle I have a single point on is my home defense pistol carbine...

[muggia59]

That is actually how my AK and AR are set up. I removed my crappy sling attachment from the front of my VZ (mine was definetly used, like my bent bayonet). When I find a black key ring, it will go on. For the range the single point works fine for now. When I was in the army, we didn't have single point (or picatinny rails or red dot sights or adjustable stocks )

[RSR]

That is actually how my AK and AR are set up. I removed my crappy sling attachment from the front of my VZ (mine was definetly used, like my bent bayonet). When I find a black key ring, it will go on. For the range the single point works fine for now. When I was in the army, we didn't have single point (or picatinny rails or red dot sights or adjustable stocks )

Ohio Ordinance Works has the earlier sling rings for a couple bucks (stamped T sling rings were later generation).  They're more durable than any key ring I've seen.  And I prefer the ring as it allows you to run any sling width you like...

[Cheapo]

So not to bring this thread back from the dead, but with the addition of the Bonesteel quad rail to my rifle its given me a few other ideas and was wondering what you guys thought.

Ive decided I want to go the 2 point rout but with the option to detach and go to a 1 (why not have the extra functionality right). Disregarding the actually sling, as I'm still shopping around there, but what do you guys think are the best attachment points for this? The way I want to run it is having the sling over my neck with the support hand (my left) through the sling.



I've seen a few AK people run theirs at points 1 and 4, but wouldnt it be more ideal to do 1 and 5? Slash is number 5 in the picture even a possible sling mounting point or is it just a gab in the fabrication? If you look at your rifle there is a small slit between the shaft of the stock and the butt plate and it looks like you could run a sling through there. And are any of the quad rail mounting points ideal? Thanks guys.

[RSR]

If you have them as options, I'd personally do 2-5 over 1-4 -- BUT, #5 is for a velcro strap to secure your buttpad on, not for a sling...  Your pad looks to the UTG Chinese copy of someone else's design (shiny rather than matte) and then they just didn't supply that velcro strap...

And 2-5 also doesn't allow you to fold your stock and use your sling.

Best sling mount for carry is with the sling over your primary shoulder so stock is in your shoulder and rifle facing down for for field ready use...  Believe that's called a south african carry.  For civilian use, a standard sling setup w/ bore up and over your shoulder is fine -- the longer distance between attachments, the better for this type of carry (also the sling setup you'd learn at appleseed shoots)).  An in between option is the israeli carry with just the sling around your neck and rifle then carried horizontally -- basically a russian style arm cradle carry but w/ a sling.  Though it is more stress on your neck, it's easier to carry w/ a sling than w/o.  And the neck sling setup allows you to easily transition between shoulders in a cqb environment as well...

[Cheapo]

If you have them as options, I'd personally do 2-5 over 1-4 -- BUT, #5 is for a velcro strap to secure your buttpad on, not for a sling...  Your pad looks to the UTG Chinese copy of someone else's design (shiny rather than matte) and then they just didn't supply that velcro strap...

And 2-5 also doesn't allow you to fold your stock and use your sling.

Best sling mount for carry is with the sling over your primary shoulder so stock is in your shoulder and rifle facing down for for field ready use...  Believe that's called a south african carry.  For civilian use, a standard sling setup w/ bore up and over your shoulder is fine -- the longer distance between attachments, the better for this type of carry (also the sling setup you'd learn at appleseed shoots)).  An in between option is the israeli carry with just the sling around your neck and rifle then carried horizontally -- basically a russian style arm cradle carry but w/ a sling.  Though it is more stress on your neck, it's easier to carry w/ a sling than w/o.  And the neck sling setup allows you to easily transition between shoulders in a cqb environment as well...

This was kind of why I wanted to do support arm through the sling vs primary. granted this is with a 3 point but I dont see why it still wouldnt apply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQkN4AemFc


but number 5 there is a slot on the actually stock, not the buttpad (I should have removed it for the picture)


however I'm not even sure that would work as a mounting point. Realistically it looks like I'll end up stuck with 1/2 and 4 whether I like it or not.

[RSR]

The main thing I dislike about point 4 on the VZ58 is that the sling presses into my lower chin when trying to get a sight picture...

I actually forgot about the loop in the stock.  so long as you don't want to fold your stock, you could do what the israelis do and tie a paracord loop (just a simple large loop connected by a double overhand), put the loop through that hole, and then pull the other end through the loop going through.  And then just tie your sling into that loop. 

Depending on how sharp that piece of metal is, you might want to paracord wrap it first to help protect your sling paracord loop.

I might play around with the qd and that point setup actually.  There's a lot to like except w/ the stock folded...

From 1:45 on with muzzle down in front is the rhodesian carry version.  Stock to primary shoulder when hanging and when you throw it behind your side/back for transition to sidearm it doesn't block access to your pistol.  And if you just want to carry it behind you, the muzzle is up and out of dirt.  Reach behind with support hand and grab stock and pull it around to deploy, or if not time or a need arises for a weapon before you have it fully pulled around, you can still reach for sidearm unimpeded.  Sling under primary shoulder has none of these benefits. 

And the only thing you can do w/ 3 point that you can't do w/ 2 is carry your rifle like a backpack...  Otherwise, it's just more material along the side of your weapon to get caught up or block things it shouldn't.

Lastly, the Israeli around neck carry makes your two point sling effectively a one point...

[Cheapo]

The main thing I dislike about point 4 on the VZ58 is that the sling presses into my lower chin when trying to get a sight picture...

I actually forgot about the loop in the stock.  so long as you don't want to fold your stock, you could do what the israelis do and tie a paracord loop (just a simple large loop connected by a double overhand), put the loop through that hole, and then pull the other end through the loop going through.  And then just tie your sling into that loop. 

Depending on how sharp that piece of metal is, you might want to paracord wrap it first to help protect your sling paracord loop.

I might play around with the qd and that point setup actually.  There's a lot to like except w/ the stock folded...

From 1:45 on with muzzle down in front is the rhodesian carry version.  Stock to primary shoulder when hanging and when you throw it behind your side/back for transition to sidearm it doesn't block access to your pistol.  And if you just want to carry it behind you, the muzzle is up and out of dirt.  Reach behind with support hand and grab stock and pull it around to deploy, or if not time or a need arises for a weapon before you have it fully pulled around, you can still reach for sidearm unimpeded.  Sling under primary shoulder has none of these benefits. 

And the only thing you can do w/ 3 point that you can't do w/ 2 is carry your rifle like a backpack...  Otherwise, it's just more material along the side of your weapon to get caught up or block things it shouldn't.

Lastly, the Israeli around neck carry makes your two point sling effectively a one point...

Without even having a sling on it I can see how point 4 would be uncomfortable. That and having it that close to the receiver could make it difficult to shoulder without adjusting the sling I fee like.

Yea I randomly stumbled across the loop in the stock when I was messing with it. Is it even meant for a sling?  I wonder if a clip could fit over that hole and the top of the stock to give you a mount point on the top of the stock? Would give you a point to quickly clip on to to move it if you wanted to fold the sling.

From 1:45 on is what I'm trying to achieve.