The quest for the perfect IDPA gun.

[himurax13]

Hello everyone. During my love affair with the CZ platform, more specifically with the Shadow platform, I noticed something with the recent ruling changes for the IDPA format. So I ordered a standard SP01and a CTS slide and here is what I found:

It took some machining and a lot of file work but I ended up with 42.8 ounces using all CZ parts.



Here is an SP01 with an Australian SP01 Shadow slide.


Here is the CTS slide on a CZ75 SA frame:


So what do you guys think? I believe that CZ should start offering the CTS slide on the SP01 frames so that it can meet the Production gun standards for USPSA as well. Now if they can figure out how to make a decent magazine, the .40. CTS slide would be a great offering as well.

Thoughts, suggestions?

[Canuck44]

This is a Custom Shop gun and should work in ESP Division but I would not think it will fly in SSP as it is not a factory gun.  Perfect IDPA gun, well if you think so.  ESP is dominated by the Glock34/M&P PRO and a host of 1911 9MM guns.

While USPSA may well allow a CZ Custom gun in to their Production Division you can go to the grave knowing IPSC won't.  CZ does not make the "CTS" slide CZ Custom does.  You won't find CTS mentioned in the CZUB catalog of their products.

Before you buy any of the Custom guns made by CZ Custom you might want to check with IDPA HQ for a ruling on the model you intend to buy.  Some are considered CZ Production guns while others aren't. 

Take Care

Bob

 

[Stuart]

On the SP01 frame and CTS slide
rail on the frame is too long for IDPA ESP
rule is like 3.5" from slide stop hole.

Gun would need to be legal for SSP first.

I believe the CTS slide on 75 frame would be a legal configuration for ESP.

[Canuck44]

On the SP01 frame and CTS slide
rail on the frame is too long for IDPA ESP
rule is like 3.5" from slide stop hole.

Gun would need to be legal for SSP first.

I believe the CTS slide on 75 frame would be a legal configuration for ESP.

Good call Stuart.  Gun would be ok for ESP on a 75 Frame.  As it is pictured it won't work in either IDPA, USPSA or IPSC.

To the OP - your quest continues.

Take Care

Bob

[himurax13]

On the SP01 frame and CTS slide
rail on the frame is too long for IDPA ESP
rule is like 3.5" from slide stop hole.

Gun would need to be legal for SSP first.

I believe the CTS slide on 75 frame would be a legal configuration for ESP.

Hmm, I was not aware of the 3.5" rule. I am sure it would fit the box since this did.

[Alpha Sierra]

This is easy gravy: put a factory 75 Shadow slide on am SP-01 frame (gets rid of the FPB).  Change rear sight without altering the factory dovetail.  Add internal mods to suit you.  Done.

[Canuck44]

This is easy gravy: put a factory 75 Shadow slide on am SP-01 frame (gets rid of the FPB).  Change rear sight without altering the factory dovetail.  Add internal mods to suit you.  Done.

Or buy a SP-01 CZ Shadow or a 75 Shadow or a Glock 34 /M&P Pro.  The latter two are what wins almost all US National events these days in both SSP and ESP. 

Some might say just buy a Glock 34 and you have the perfect IDPA gun.  Legal in USPSA but not IPSC.  Personally I prefer the M&P PRO, a gun I prefer for IDPA and is legal in USPSA and IPSC. 

For IPSC I have the 75 Shadowline or a 85 Combat.

Take Care

Bob
ps the CZ SP-01 Shadow sells for $1,600 less than the CZ Custom Shop CTS.  Think about it.

[himurax13]

This is easy gravy: put a factory 75 Shadow slide on am SP-01 frame (gets rid of the FPB).  Change rear sight without altering the factory dovetail.  Add internal mods to suit you.  Done.

Already did that. I wanted to experiment.

What is the issues with changing the factory dovetail? To prevent the use of adjustable target sights?

Or buy a SP-01 CZ Shadow or a 75 Shadow or a Glock 34 /M&P Pro.  The latter two are what wins almost all US National events these days in both SSP and ESP. 

Some might say just buy a Glock 34 and you have the perfect IDPA gun.  Legal in USPSA but not IPSC.  Personally I prefer the M&P PRO, a gun I prefer for IDPA and is legal in USPSA and IPSC. 

For IPSC I have the 75 Shadowline or a 85 Combat.

Take Care

Bob

Don't really care much for the Glock 34, or the 35 even though I have them both.

The M&P Pro appears to have accuracy issues and even with the APEX trigger, the trigger doesn't feel all that good plus I really don't feel like moving out of the 1911, CZ, and Glock Platforms at the momen.t

[Canuck44]

Cutting a new dovetail is an exterior modification not allowed under the rules for SSP.  You should realltake a look at the equipment rules before moving on with a project.

I dislike the Glock platform but the 34 in the hands of Bob Vogel owns SSP Division in IDPA by several minutes at most matches he enters.

Take care

Bob

[Alpha Sierra]

Cutting a new dovetail is an exterior modification not allowed under the rules for SSP.  You should realltake a look at the equipment rules before moving on with a project.

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I'll never understand the mentality of building a competition firearm without a clear idea of the rules of the chosen playing field.  Or worse, building what you think you should be allowed to use then act shocked when told you can't.

[himurax13]

Cutting a new dovetail is an exterior modification not allowed under the rules for SSP.  You should realltake a look at the equipment rules before moving on with a project.

I dislike the Glock platform but the 34 in the hands of Bob Vogel owns SSP Division in IDPA by several minutes at most matches he enters.

Take care

Bob

I am looking at the new rule book. No wonder so many people I know stopped playing this sport and went over to USPSA. Oh well, I will swap slides and everything will be good.

[Canuck44]

Cutting a new dovetail is an exterior modification not allowed under the rules for SSP.  You should realltake a look at the equipment rules before moving on with a project.

This

I'll never understand the mentality of building a competition firearm without a clear idea of the rules of the chosen playing field.  Or worse, building what you think you should be allowed to use then act shocked when told you can't.

Should be my signature line.  Well put.

Bob

[Canuck44]

On the SP01 frame and CTS slide
rail on the frame is too long for IDPA ESP
rule is like 3.5" from slide stop hole.

Gun would need to be legal for SSP first.

I believe the CTS slide on 75 frame would be a legal configuration for ESP.

Hmm, I was not aware of the 3.5" rule. I am sure it would fit the box since this did.

This gun is not legal for SSP Division either.

Bob

[Alpha Sierra]

This is easy gravy: put a factory 75 Shadow slide on am SP-01 frame (gets rid of the FPB).  Change rear sight without altering the factory dovetail.  Add internal mods to suit you.  Done.

Or buy a SP-01 CZ Shadow

I didn't realize those were for sale here until I found them in the factory pistols page of the CZ Custom Shop website.

Yes, that would be even easier.

[himurax13]

The CZ SP01 Shadows are never in stock and the Shadow and CTS Slides appear once in a blue moon.  I was happy to get one of each. I am also ecstatic that they raised the weight limit in SSP to 43 ounces so that I would not have to run plastic grips, different safeties, and the plastic guiderod to just barely make the weight.