I remember awhile back, one of the members here had sent out packs of 100 to some of us for testing. I can't remember who that was. That made me switch from plain lead to plated. I had found that the xtreme was cheaper at the time and had also heard the rumor that they were the same bullet so I have been shooting them. I think at $81 per thousand, that puts the rmr cheaper than the extremes at the moment. I'll have to by some for a comparison now.