Anyone have pics of the VZ58 prototype with the monolithic rail system?

[Cwong]

Count me in. What about the stock?

[JAPartridge]

hmmm, a monolithic top rail would solve a few different issues, I'm thinking an actual scope would be possible...  very intriguing!

[MariusVZ]

I like option one a lot.  I would be interested in a reflex sight option (Redfield Accelerator, Burris Fastfire, etc) that will cowitness with the iron sights. Pic rail would be good.  You could also do some proprietary mounting bases for different reflex optics if height turns into a problem.

1.  Superlow picatinny gas tube that allows you to co-witness an Aimpoint Micro and similar sized optics.

[RSR]

I like option one a lot.  I would be interested in a reflex sight option (Redfield Accelerator, Burris Fastfire, etc) that will cowitness with the iron sights. Pic rail would be good.  You could also do some proprietary mounting bases for different reflex optics if height turns into a problem.

1.  Superlow picatinny gas tube that allows you to co-witness an Aimpoint Micro and similar sized optics.

Bonesteel already makes the the lowest upper handguard rail available...  It was specifically designed to be as low as possible, so don't think anyone can make one lower, just different.  Obviously there are some supply/inventory issues there but CNC Warrior isn't going anywhere and produces stuff in a lot lower quantities than the Bonesteel rails, so they'll remain around, just scare -- assuming nothing changes.

[Holz]

BTW CZ 958 looks like this
 

[RSR]

Thinking further on the monolithic like the prototype above.

I feel like this monolithic is something that should be pitched to Czechpoint or CSA or CNC Warrior, etc.  Basically to some builder to build a "modernized" VZ58 from the start... 

You don't need the front sight block and would want a barrel properly profiled for a crush washer (current/standard isn't).


All furniture, including stock, should be designed around this as well for properly eye/sight alignment -- most likely an optics with a lower than AR BUIS setup.   (As you can see with the hunter, the rail and stock alignment is WAY off.)

Even that top cover on the 958, the irons are pretty much not useable...  Ideally, any rail you're making for current setup VZ58s would allow for continued use of irons when the optic is removed....

[RSR]

Following up here, I do think a monolithic is cool and do think you'd have global interest in that.  But it would require armorer modification (since the barrel) or rebuilding from scratch. 

The Czech military still has mixed reviews of the Bren, and if you basically put the VZ58 into modern furniture, especially if metal/aluminum rather than polymer, I think you'd appeal to a lot of traditionalists who recognize the benefit of optics in combat setting -- and in the benefit of tried and proven, but polymer light (that is minimal plastic), weapon systems.

[hiluxinvt]

BTW CZ 958 looks like this
 

Looks like a good start. Being the US I'd perfer to see it with a left side charging handle a polymer/aluminum for all in one lower receiver with AR style hand grip that took regular ak mags.
Also charging handle system similar to what sig uses on the 556.

A combination of all worlds into one. take one part of a AK a AR and a VZ and put it all into one platform.
Kind of like the Isreali's did with the Galil and the AK47.
Franken gunned... lol

[RSR]

Then it would no longer be a VZ58 and lose the VZ58's superior mechanisms like last shot bolt hold open...

[Mikes250r]

I like the looks of this system, but would the monorail interfere with the ejection of spent cartridges?

[CitizenPete]

BTW CZ 958 looks like this
 

Thats the bleep.  I'll take two.

[Manticore_Arms]

Following up here, I do think a monolithic is cool and do think you'd have global interest in that.  But it would require armorer modification (since the barrel) or rebuilding from scratch. 

The Czech military still has mixed reviews of the Bren, and if you basically put the VZ58 into modern furniture, especially if metal/aluminum rather than polymer, I think you'd appeal to a lot of traditionalists who recognize the benefit of optics in combat setting -- and in the benefit of tried and proven, but polymer light (that is minimal plastic), weapon systems.

We have different views of monolithic.  We don't make products that requite "armorer modification",  we always make products that mount to the existing system with no modification to the base weapon.

That being said, VZ-58 parts are kind of on the back burner right now.  We have taken on a very large project that is taking most our time, plus we are looking at moving into a larger shop space, and I am trying to buy a new house to boot for me and the wife, and I just do not have time to work on other projects right now.  Sorry guys.   

Sven
Manticore Arms

[paskeCZ]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/20/cz958-review-bringing-cold-war-21st-century/

[RSR]

Custom barrel, custom receiver, custom top cover, and likely custom FCG.  MSRP less than $1000 Canadian. 

$999 Canadian is $827.64 US right now on the google currency exchange rate. 

Which brings me back to the sole/monopoly US CSA importer, distributor, retailer, having prices that are 29%, $237.36 higher (using Czechpoint's $1065 rate) than the Canadian MSRP...  MSRPs generally being the highest price one will see w/ a firearm barring panic or high demand like the EVO upon launch...  Point being, the sole US importer, distributor, and retailer could likely sell their inventory for $300 less and still collect an industry standard combined profit margin for each of their import, distributor, and retailer roles...

And why I think that is important largely reflects how the firearm blog link's video concludes:
https://youtu.be/px8t8YSEt5w?t=6m14s

[CitizenPete]

I would like to see the bolt and ejector position on that CZ958, assuming it is a working prototype.