Anyone have pics of the VZ58 prototype with the monolithic rail system?

[RSR]

I don't think those would be affected.  The extractor is pretty centered and the bolt rides above that indent and it's just the skinny part that goes over the ejector that would be in the zone.

I think part of the problem in Canada was that they were worried that it woudl be too easy to convert to full auto.   So they change the receiver so that there was no way to mill it out to install full auto fcg components without putting holes in the receiver...

EDIT: Look inside your VZ2008 -- see that ledge that comes inward to prevent a full auto trigger from being inserted?  Move that to the outside/indent the receiver in to the same degree (but both sides) and that's basically where this rifle is from what I can see.

[CitizenPete]

I want to know how it ejects spent cases, of if its just a prop.

I don't think those would be affected.  The extractor is pretty centered and the bolt rides above that indent and it's just the skinny part that goes over the ejector that would be in the zone.

I think part of the problem in Canada was that they were worried that it woudl be too easy to convert to full auto.   So they change the receiver so that there was no way to mill it out to install full auto fcg components without putting holes in the receiver...

EDIT: Look inside your VZ2008 -- see that ledge that comes inward to prevent a full auto trigger from being inserted?  Move that to the outside/indent the receiver in to the same degree (but both sides) and that's basically where this rifle is from what I can see.

[RSR]

Well, he shoots it so I don't think it's a prop:
https://youtu.be/px8t8YSEt5w?t=3m57s
https://youtu.be/px8t8YSEt5w?t=6m

Looks like the internal of the top cover must serve as a case deflector.

[ncgoober]

Is there any realistic chance this would ever get sold in the states? 

[RSR]

Doubtful...  Czechpoint is the sole/monopoly importer on CSA guns.  The top cover is Wolverine exclusive I believe, which would mean it would cost Czechpoint more than a standard gun to sell here...  Since Czechpoint is a lower volume, high profit margin business best as I can gather, I don't think it's too likely that they'll offer or if they do, they'll upcharge substantially for that part...

Now that topcover may fit standard receivers and Wolverine might sell it alone to put on/fit CSA guns...  But that's the only route I really see it being more than an outside chance... 

I guess send some emails to Wolverine if you want to buy it direct! And see if it fits all CSA guns or just the custom receiver on that one...

[Orpheus]

That 958 that Wolverine is comissioning is *not* the way to go about approaching this. The upper with rails replaces the dust cover and is attached to the lower reciever with *allen bolts*. 
You're giving up charging via stripper clip,  an enormous ejection port and a painless military style takedown for cleaning and the possibility of malfunction in exchange for this abomination.
Imagine taking down an AR with allen bolts instead of captive pins.
It wont fit on standard recievers at all, Id post a picture but im on my phone. Go on CGN and see for yourself.
Not to mention, there is absolutely no chrome lining or nitriding option, and is built for a market where corrosive milsurp spam cans are cheap, popular and widely available.

Normally, I wouldnt care if somebody wants to design a piece of junk or if hundreds or thousands of people want to pay money for it but in our case as firearms owners in Canada it sucks bigtime. Very few people up here have the means and the connections to put something together that can accomodate our stupid laws....and now one of those groups has used those resources to create this laughable lemon and lemmings have lined up for it.
If they were going to completely redesign this thing, why would they not make the barrels removeable like on a SCAR or AR? Theres more to modernising a rifle than slapping rails all over it if youre starting from the *ground up*.

Its a wasted opportunity.
/rant

[RSR]

The barrel install process on the VZ58 is perhaps one of the most antiquated components of the weapon system...  It's a major part of my ideal "modernized" VZ58... 

I would also like to configure the gas block to vent gas forward like most modern gas blocks, make it adjustable, and possibly consider making it a dual gas block/sight block...  With modern optics, I don't think the forward gas block/longer sight radius is quite as important as it was when the weapon was developed... Faster pointing is a plus, but you'd also lose the detent and gain a crush washer, so it may be a wash for the sight/gas combo.

[vblue42]

Is there any realistic chance this would ever get sold in the states?

No, this is a CZ manufacture VZ and CZ doesn't export the VZ to the states. Only CSA VZs are imported to the US.

[vblue42]

That 958 that Wolverine is comissioning is *not* the way to go about approaching this. The upper with rails replaces the dust cover and is attached to the lower reciever with *allen bolts*. 
You're giving up charging via stripper clip,  an enormous ejection port and a painless military style takedown for cleaning and the possibility of malfunction in exchange for this abomination.
Imagine taking down an AR with allen bolts instead of captive pins.
It wont fit on standard recievers at all, Id post a picture but im on my phone. Go on CGN and see for yourself.
Not to mention, there is absolutely no chrome lining or nitriding option, and is built for a market where corrosive milsurp spam cans are cheap, popular and widely available.

Normally, I wouldnt care if somebody wants to design a piece of junk or if hundreds or thousands of people want to pay money for it but in our case as firearms owners in Canada it sucks bigtime. Very few people up here have the means and the connections to put something together that can accomodate our stupid laws....and now one of those groups has used those resources to create this laughable lemon and lemmings have lined up for it.
If they were going to completely redesign this thing, why would they not make the barrels removeable like on a SCAR or AR? Theres more to modernising a rifle than slapping rails all over it if youre starting from the *ground up*.

Its a wasted opportunity.
/rant

I totally agree and thought the same thing as soon as the first pics were released of this rifle. Certainly not what I would have done to modernize a classic rifle as the VZ58.

[RSR]

Even the CZ VZ58s in the US were made by Dtechnic/CSA...  So I'd strongly imagine that to be the case here...  CZ-UB's been divested of the VZ58 platform for a few years now -- not doing so would probably be a conflict w/ the 805 bren.

[vblue42]

I don't see how or why. CZ still manufactures the VZ for sale in many countries except the US.

[Orpheus]

The barrel install process on the VZ58 is perhaps one of the most antiquated components of the weapon system...  It's a major part of my ideal "modernized" VZ58... 

I would also like to configure the gas block to vent gas forward like most modern gas blocks, make it adjustable, and possibly consider making it a dual gas block/sight block...  With modern optics, I don't think the forward gas block/longer sight radius is quite as important as it was when the weapon was developed... Faster pointing is a plus, but you'd also lose the detent and gain a crush washer, so it may be a wash for the sight/gas combo.

I heard a story that a guy comissioned a build on a vz58 with a tapped reciever and threaded barrel in some way.  I wish I had some information  about this more than hearsay.

[Orpheus]

The barrel install process on the VZ58 is perhaps one of the most antiquated components of the weapon system...  It's a major part of my ideal "modernized" VZ58... 

I would also like to configure the gas block to vent gas forward like most modern gas blocks, make it adjustable, and possibly consider making it a dual gas block/sight block...  With modern optics, I don't think the forward gas block/longer sight radius is quite as important as it was when the weapon was developed... Faster pointing is a plus, but you'd also lose the detent and gain a crush washer, so it may be a wash for the sight/gas combo.

I agree with all of the above. If there was a will to do this, it would likely not that hard to accomplish.

[RSR]

I don't see how or why. CZ still manufactures the VZ for sale in many countries except the US.

My understanding is that CZ-UB subcontracted out a fair amount of the VZ58 production to the point that the primary subcontract for the weapon, D-Technic, was able to buy the rights plans, any specific machinery, etc, from CZ-UB.  D-Technic then changed their name to CSA.  From CSA's website:

Czech Small Arms (C.S.A.) is the only manufacturer of Sa vz.58 rifles and Sa vz.61 Scorpions. The factory, located in Jablunka, Czech Republic, continues to produce these legendary firearms for distributors in North America and in Europe.  Originaly produced by CZ UB, Sa vz. 58 rifles and Sa vz. 61 Scorpions are currently produced only by Czech Small Arms. If you currently have a vz. 58 rifle or a vz. 61 Scorpion, most likely your firearm was built at our factory or from parts manufactured in our factory - regardless of the name engraved on the firearm.

Wikipedia shows production from 1959 to 1984...  And since 1984 aligns with several attempts by CZ-UB to get the gov't to fund a replacement weapon system, that makes sense that they would stop full throttle production of the weapon at that time...  I took the time to outline that history either here or on the Bren board if curious about that wacky timeline full of false starts etc due to communist bureaucracies, Czech independence streak, fall of communism, lack of funding, etc.

[RSR]

ICYMI:

Cz958 Approved for Canada
After spending over a year in the inspection lab, the Cz958 will finally be available to Canadian shooters soon. The RCMP have classified the rifle as non-restricted with a provision that barrels under 18.5? will be restricted.

This shouldn?t come as a surprise, because it?s pretty clear where the Cz958 fits into Canadian law. I came to the same conclusion as the RCMP nine months ago when I did my initial review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=px8t8YSEt5w

Exact dates and MSRP are still to come, but this reporter would hazard a guess of ?right around Christmas? and ?right around $1000.?

There are two big differences between this rifle and the Cold War?s Vz58: First is the extended dust cover with picatinny rail for mounting optics. The second is the extensive semi-auto only reciever. Even a dedicated machinist would have a serious challenge converting this into a machine gun, due to strategic milling of this new receiver.

More here: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/25/cz958-approved-canada/

*Note the custom receiver, custom top cover, unique barrel, and other parts (discussed earlier in thread) and the price is still just 1000 Canadian Dollars, which by exchange rates is equivalent to about 725 US Dollars right now...   Vs $1200 for the US version... So 922r-ing and opening up a single stack magwell is $500 worth work?--Or (when accounting for profit on above of Canadian retail at $725 USD) nearly doubling the wholesale price of the weapon, from imported configuration to retail version, assuming the Czechs charge the same kronas per weapon to both US and Canadian importers?