'Nuff said...for now...

[armoredman]

[RSR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaL_oKeESUI

[SIGnoramus]

Wicked video. 

[pcator13]

No wonder my CZ and I get along so well.  We were both born in 1936.

Patrick

[armoredman]

Excellent video, and interesting the OPFOR had a mixture of vz-58s and AKMs...I'd love to get a chance to shoot one of the select fire BREN rifles, but that prospect looks dim at the moment.

[RSR]

Looking at the Bren, it's barrel profile looks really thin. 

I suspect it'll have the same accuracy issues that the G36 and SCAR-L (light) have experienced when heated up...

For instance (from 2012):

A German newspaper has revealed that a Bundeswehr report has said that once the H&K G36 rifle has heated up, the accuracy is significantly reduced to a point where it is useless beyond 200 meters (218 yards).

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/04/26/hk-g36-useless-at-200m-when-hot/

To this year:

The German Defence Ministry has halted new orders of H&K?s G36 rifle. The Defense Ministry took the action after troops in Afghanistan complained that the H&K built rifles couldn?t hit their targets during prolonged firefights. It?s a serious problem; engagement distances in Afghanistan have tended to be much greater than originally envisioned when the rifle was designed. From the AFP (via ChannelNewsAsia) . . .

German troops in Afghanistan in recent years voiced concerns over the G36 automatic rifle made by Heckler & Koch, saying it became inaccurate when its barrel heated up in prolonged firefights.

The military initially blamed the use of unsuitable munitions, but the government auditing body the Bundesrechnungshof has now ordered a new investigation, reported the Bild am Sonntag newspaper.

?It is important to avoid that the defence ministry invests up to 34 million euros ($46 million) in a rifle that may not meet the requirements of the troops,? the court was quoted as saying by the newspaper.

The G36 has been the German Army?s main battle rifle since 1997. H&K designed the gun as a replacement for the aging G3 platform (which used the much heavier 7.62 NATO rounds that were quickly going out of fashion in modern militaries).

Guns are typically sighted in during a slow-firing session, where the barrel remains relatively cool. As the barrel heats up, the uneven expansion of the barrel material causes the gun to shift and the bullet impacts to wander off target. During a prolonged engagement it wouldn?t be surprising for the accuracy of a firearm to diminish considerably, especially with the relatively thin barrel used in the G36.

This isn?t a new complaint; the first reports of the issue started surfacing in April of 2012. The claim was that after a couple hundred rounds the rifle became ineffective at ranges past 200 meters and almost completely useless past 300 meters. At the time H&K blamed the ammunition. The Ministry of Defense seemed content with that answer. However it now looks like yet another branch of the government has gotten wind of the situation and decided to step in.

Germany currently fields around 180,000 G36 rifles, with hundreds of thousands more in the hands of friendly militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/06/foghorn/troops-complain-hks-g36-cant-hit-broad-side-barn-german-govt-halts-new-orders/

[RSR]

G36



SCAR-L



BREN 805



*And I'm using the flash hider size relative to barrels as my reference point since can't see these side by side w/ exact proportions.

[RSR]

Interesting thread: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?238434-Slovak-Army-about-to-switch-from-Sa58-to-CZ-805-BREN
-- A lot pricing info there too if interested in that.

Slovak Army about to switch from Sa58 to CZ-805 BREN - Confirmed by Slovak Chief of Staff during his visit in Czech republic.

Speaking with Czech para last weekend, he was not that enthusiastic about the weapon, mentioning weight, problematic magazines and poor ergonomics.

Reply:

Maybe they are getting CZ-807 BREN, which solves some of these problems, as I read (specifically the mags and ergonomics).

It looks like the CZ-807 Bren supports 5.56 Stanag Mags and 7.62 AK mags, and this is the weapon that CZ submitted into the Indian Army rifle competition.

Some pics of the 807 here:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/10/03/cz807-upgraded-cz805a2-semi-auto-cz805s1/

And here's about the CZ-Slovakia plant that was part of the requirement for Slovakia to go w/ the Bren: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/06/26/ceska-zbrojovka-open-plant-in-slovakia/

This is interesting:

One of the plant?s main products is to be a semiautomatic 9mm pistol, the CZ 75 P-07 Duty

[RSR]

Some good BREN 805 reads:

http://www.cztalk.com/The-new-CZ-805-BREN-Gun.html

http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1083

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1470978

http://www.acr.army.cz/technika-a-vyzbroj/zbrane-a-prostredky/utocna-puska-5-56-x-45-mm-cz-805-bren-a1-a2-58578/
(Czech Republic Army info page, google chrome translation below and photo gallery on page.)

Assault rifle 5.56 ? 45 mm CZ 805 BREN A1 / A2
Czech Army introduced in 2011 into the arms of a new basic weapon of the individual. We present detailed technical information.

The gun has two basic versions, namely assault rifle CZ 805 A1 and A2 CZ 805 Carbine. It is a unified modular weapon system for hub dimensions of 5.56 ? 45 mm NATO or 7.62 ? 39 mm vz. 43rd

The change in caliber allows the possibility for such a major exchange or other types of ammunition. Removable magazine well allows the deployment of different types of containers. Tension lever conclusion can be easily moved from right to left arms, which increases comfort terms of use handers.

To manufacture the main parts are used alloy steel and plastic. The end actuates a piston to which pushes gases sucked from the barrel during firing. The amount of gas affects two-stage adjustable regulator. The basic part of the automatic weapon consists of a carrier with a rotary tumbler. Trigger is a separate removable block whose main components are the trigger mechanism with intermittent shift key and four-way shooting mode. The stock is folding forward, turning right while telescopically adjustable.

Contractor is Czech arms factory, as Brod. The contract value is under the purchase contract no. 090100104 overall 1102710857, CZK 68 including VAT. In addition to the 6687 assault rifles and carbines 1250 caliber 5.56 mm includes the delivery of 397 underslung grenade launcher CZ 805 G1, 7937 head-pointers collimator type ZD-Dot, 1386 night vision sights NV-Mag3, 1386 enlargers modules DV-Mag3, 1386 Dual laser pointers / illuminators DBAL-A 1,758,450 rounds M885 / SS109 771 600 rounds illuminating M856, 12,845 rounds FRAG92 and HE-HE-6850 DP 92 to underslung grenade, 68 sets of spare parts 1: 100, 16 sets for ordnance, 43 sets of spare parts and service, training and technical documentation in printed and electronic form.         

Assault rifle CZ 805 BREN A1

Assault rifle with completed development of caliber 5.56 ? 45 mm NATO CZ 805 BREN A1 is automatic hand firearm capable of firing doses, fewer doses dvourann?mi a single shots, with an effective range ground and air targets up to 500 m, swiveling, laterally and mechanical height rektifikovateln?mi sights with remote range 100 - 500 m, with an accuracy of firing single shots to 4 MOA (benchmark precision rifles - 1 MOA represents scattering 29 mm at a distance of 100 m).

The gun is capable of firing with training, and special charges reduced with minimal retrofitting weapons. Automatic weapons are based on the collection of dust emissions from the barrel reciprocating mechanism. Breech mechanism is locked when fired. U weapon is secured capture to the rear after fired rounds from the magazine. An assault rifle is equipped 30rann?m box magazines of transparent plastic, with the possibility of continuous control number of cartridges without removing it from the gun. Container design allows the connection using a removable plastic clips.

For each weapon will be delivered eight cartridges, saving them two is solved in pouches made of impregnated fabric. The fabric meets the protective sleeves, masking and other requirements by ?OS 108,001th Cases trays can be variably connected in one unit, while maintaining the standard fixation cross coupling. The weapon allows it to be fired at all possible combat operations using means of individual protection against weapons of mass destruction established in the Czech Armed Forces, using winter accessories, ballistic protection of the individual tactical and protective glasses, foreign climatic and combat conditions.

The gun is equipped with an interface Picattiny rail according to MIL STD 1913, at the top, bottom and both side surfaces, allowing for variable mounting accessories such as optical and sighting devices (HUD sight collimator type magnifying module, night vision devices), measuring, marking and lighting equipment. Interface Picattiny rail according to MIL STD 1913 and is secured by mounting underslung grenade launcher and its sights. The muzzle is normally adapted to fit the silencer flame handpiece for practice shooting and silencers shot.

The gun allows conducting fire shot from standardized introduced combat vehicles. Ballistic life mainly is guaranteed for at least 20,000 rounds, rifle technical life as a whole at least 20 years. It is reliable, safe in use and handling. Failure weapons are guaranteed to 0.2% excluding defects due ammunition. The gun meets the requirements for reliable operation in harsh conditions (dust, mud, the transition temperature) according to AC 225 / D14, TPVD 637-81.

Use of firearms, it is possible to reliably conduct standardized hub with all types of bullets. Surface protection weapons ensures minimum reflectance of light sources and resistance to abrasion, corrosion, fresh and salt water, moisture, aggressive substances and products produced during the shooting and the use of preservatives approved for use in the Czech Armed Forces. On the arms are no sharp edges and significant protrusions (flat weapon) except Picattiny rail according to MIL STD 1913th

All controls are accessible and have a smooth operation. The weapon using a portion of the lower interface Picattiny rail allows mounting of auxiliary handle, for example, as the control system of modular combat V21 complete without having a negative impact on the possibility of a comfort to be fired. Part of the weapons is a universal three-point belt. His attachment does not affect the operation or firing.

The materials used in optical devices and weapons are non-flammable or have increased flame resistance, are impact resistant and have high resistance to mechanical damage. The heat generated during firing is removed so that did not bother shooters. The disassembly and composition weapons for routine maintenance can be done without any tools. Means for maintenance, removal and simple defect support training are supplied weapons (brass brush, eye swab, cleaning rod rope, oiler, universal key and lance for practice shooting in a textile bag - a bag).

Identification of the weapon is secured serial number on the main parts of the weapon and the brand name on the holster. Packaging weapon is secured with black plastic shipping containers locker containing 5 pieces of weapons with full accessories, collimator, assault with a knife and containers including capsules. Packaging meets the requirements for stacking according to Standard 269 030 (maximum 8 layers), protection of weapons from damage and deterioration. Packaging has secured identification element.

Carabiner CZ 805 BREN A2

Assault rifle abbreviated version of caliber 5.56 ? 45 mm NATO with completed development CZ 805 BREN A2 automatic hand firearm capable of firing doses, fewer doses dvourann?mi a single shots, structurally and functionally identical to the version of the assault rifle in standard length CZ 805 BREN A1, from which it differs shortened barrel and it is unfolding effective range of only 400 m and less weight ensemble weapons.

Czech Army Article: http://www.mise.army.cz/aktualni-mise/afghanistan-wardak/zprav-wardak/omeleta-breny-uz-mnohokrat-vyzkousela-v-boji-73086/
(CZ-UB Translation)

BRENS TRIED ALREADY MANY TIMES IN COMBAT BY ?OMELETTE?

Members of 4th squad of OMLT (OMLT - Operational Mentoring and Liaison Team) which operate in Afghan province of Wardak have behind them seventy combat encounters with insurgents. This OMLT squad conducts on-the-spot training of 3rd kandak (kandak ? battalion) of the Afghan National Army. In all of these engagements the soldiers of OMLT are using a new assault rifles designated the CZ 805 BREN A1.
 
New assault rifles were received by ?Omeletters? already in the course the preparing phase of this foreign operation. During preparation soldiers get perfectly acquainted with the new weapon, which brought many new features and they also familiarized themselves with operation and maintenance of this new rifle.
The BREN brought about new controls including in particular ambidextrous operation of cocking handle and also fire mode selection, thus making this weapon suitable both for left hand and right hand shooters. Folding and telescoping stock is advantageous especially while in transport. Mounting rails located on the weapon allow soldiers to attach a wide variety of accessories and get ready quickly and easily for conducting specific operations. Accessories include particularly tactical grips, flashlights, laser designator, optical devices and the CZ 805 G1 underslung grenade launcher.
 
Soldiers serving in the ?Omelette? appreciate as the greatest benefit of this rifle its accuracy, which surprised them already during preparation phase. The weapon?s caliber is the same as used by all NATO forces and there is no problem to replenish supplies especially during deployment of training teams at advanced bases, where OMLT members operate only with Afghan and coalition partners. The advantage of the smaller caliber also brings the benefit of nearly half less weight of the cartridge. So soldiers during combat operations ?can carry? a more of ammunition, or conversely they are ?lighter? while having the same amount of ammunition.
 
Day and night sighting devices, which form a part of weapon?s outfit brings with them advantages such as better observation potential for all soldiers in the team through day and night and thus also improvement in conducting accurate fire at longer distances. Moreover it is not necessary for each soldier to be equipped with some additional sighting device. This again reduces the weight of the equipment carried by soldiers.
Variability of the BREN rifle outfit together with multiple of accessory rails allows for quick exchange of accessories both in the preparing phase and during actual operation. Most combat operations conducted by soldiers of OMLT along with soldiers of 3rd Kandak and American Forces take place in the transition to daylight or the transition to night. In the course of these operations it is therefore necessary to change weapon?s accessories ?on-the-fly?, and for the BREN rifle this poses no problem.
 
Seventy combat encounters with insurgents represent two thirds out of the total of all operations performed by OMLT. In all of these encounters soldiers used new weapons and 8000 cartridges spent in the course of operational missions only confirms reliability and satisfaction with the weapon.
The CZ 805 G1 grenade launcher is as well a new entry in the military equipment and, thereby, for the soldiers involved in the foreign missions. The grenade launcher is again standardized for the NATO caliber. The ?underslung?, as is called among soldiers, can be used as a standalone weapon outfitted with sights and stock, or it can be used as in the underslung attachment under the barrel of a rifle. Integration of both weapons is made through accessory rails. Given relatively low weight (1.5 kg) of this grenade launcher the efficiency of the soldier carrying this weapon is not any much reduced. On the contrary, this is a training team having a very small number of soldiers, reinforced by effective means in the fight against insurgents. Also this weapon is marvellous with its high accuracy having no problem to hit a lying car tire at 300 meters (328 yd.) distance.
 
The grenade launcher discharges individual grenades in single shots, which are loaded from the rear and the weapon is cocked by so called pumping. The possibility of using a broad range of ammunition designed specifically for the grenade launcher allows soldiers to use this weapon not only as an anti-personnel weapon in open terrain, shelters and military hardware, but also for example to illuminate the terrain (even in infrared spectrum), and screening.
In difficult mountainous terrain of Afghanistan the ?underslung? found its place immediately. The insurgents with whom we are fighting use to their hidden movements and combat activities particularly many dried-up river beds called ?wadis? and irrigation channels systems ?karez?. These are just the places that are for this grenade launcher within its easy reach.
 
?The places used by insurgents for conducting fire, which are not covered by effective fire from assault rifles and other weapons included in the equipment of training teams, are just the right places for the ?underslung?, says the commander of the 5th training team captain Michal V.
?We are totally satisfied with this grenade launcher, this can be also evidenced by four hundred fired grenades of various types. And in particular actual reaction of insurgents, who immediately after first incidence are leaving their positions and retreating,? adds the OMLT commander.

[RSR]

A good documentary on the BREN -- in Czech presumably, but a lot of good visuals nonetheless:

http://youtu.be/g45ymu6Zs_8

From here: http://www.armadninoviny.cz/dokument-ceska-utocna-puska-cz-805-bren.html
(Google chrome translation)

We are pleased to now introduce our own mini documentary on Czech assault rifle CZ 805 BREN. The material we collected throughout the holidays when we visited Zbrojovka Czech, Slovak exhibition IDEB and exercises Czech Army. We are especially pleased that we were allowed to shoot in the Czech Zbrojovka factory, where we were shown the production and assembly of the weapon itself. We thank the management Zbrojovky Czech and Czech Army for their help during the shooting of the material.

Recall that in early 2010 CZ 805 BREN won a competition for a new assault rifle for the Czech Army. The contract covered the supply of nearly 8,000 assault rifles CZ 805, but also podv?sn?ch 40 mm grenade launchers and associated optics.
 
Among other things, also ordered the army later 600 assault rifles CZ Scorpion EVO 3 for the Castle Guard and the 5500 pistol CZ 75 PHANTOM .
 
This year, the Ministry of Defence opted to buy another 10,000 assault rifles CZ 805 BREN, 7000 CZ 75 PHANTOM 500 submachine guns and CZ Scorpion EVO 3. Deliveries will start in 2014 and end of the contract is scheduled for 2020. This will complete overkill ACR no new personal weapons individuals.
 
Among other things, the Army recently announced its intention to buy 200 rifles for precision shooting in caliber 7.62 mm. This weapon should be among the exposed units replace the age-old "sniper" SVD Dragunov. 

[RSR]

A great Q&A by the same folks that did the documentary videos w/ the Czech Army on the design/ergonomic/outfitting problems w/ the 805 Bren: http://www.armadninoviny.cz/otazky-a-odpovedi-k-pusce-cz-805-bren.html

(Google chrome translated version pasted below)

The Czech army has "for some time" uses a new assault rifle CZ 805 BREN. And as for new weapons is even "Bren" enjoy an critics soldiers and professionals. We have tried to gather the most important criticisms and at the same time we asked for a statement Press Service of the ACR, which can be found in the following interview.
 
AN: When shooting ranges rod conclusion. This can be prevented by simple structural intervention. Why did not address this deficiency during field tests?
TO: We assume that the user has in mind the tension, ie. control lever. Existing solutions when the lever is rigidly connected to the bolt carrier, is functionally reliable. In case nedov?en? carriers, whether any of the reasons (high pollution, lower dust content or other dysfunction of ammunition ...) can easily remove the defect on the stop lever. For autonomous cocking lever  (independent of the movement the bolt carrier) must be solved possibility prodding bolt carrier into the front position (a large number of parts, possibly susceptibility to dust, sand, ...), another mechanism .

AN: Why is there no u CZ 805 button for discharging conclusion? For discharges by the end of rod is time consuming, physically demanding, and this involves the other hand.
TO: Existing solutions when using the actuating lever which is rigidly connected to the bolt carrier, is sufficient. Draining the end, it is necessary only when using the "autonomous" control lever.

AN: Why can not stretch the gun in a locked state?
TO: This is a higher element of safety in the shotgun. On the other hand, there are weapons that can not be ensured unless extended.

AN: What is the reason there is a possibility of a double shot? For the needs of a professional army seems to be unnecessary. This solution is unique in the world.
TO: Opinions on "dvour?nu" is twofold. There are proponents and opponents of this function. At the time of development was a requirement for a majority of users. If a shooter does not function may not use the trigger mechanism. In case of further perimeter planting, CQB and in combination with compensator stroke this function is effective. It also ensures that the soldier fired in a stress situation (without much effect more shots, or even the entire stack - Experience US Army from Vietnam).

AN: Lever Shift key fire is so bulky that it interferes with the index finger (except for the "safe") laid lengthwise over the trigger. Why also did not address this issue at the Army tests?
TO: It is a universal solution right handed - left-handed. Availability is solved by two interchangeable sizes ridges which are part of the weapon. The shape and size were within field tests evaluated and discussed. Shortening the Shift key lever operated some users problems with accessibility. The manufacturer prepared the modified embodiment, which is solved by a set of short and long levers Shift key with a modified shape (angle). The final version is currently being tested in a user test.

AN: fuse tray can not control the hand that holds the pistol grip. Why not use proven solutions of Arms AR-15 or SCAR? Both weapons can fuse control finger hand holding the gun. Why did not address this issue during the trial?
TO: Within the field tests was also discussed variant called. rocker emptying the tanks to the manufacturer standard for PDW Scorpion EO3A1. In terms of control of the magazine catch was used proven solution Sa vz. 58. The manufacturer also has an option interchangeable shafts MC (magazine comaptible) with such a solution in two-sided design.

AN: Why are plastic trays (5.56 x 45 mm) for CZ 805 more than the original ones for the greater charge 7.62 x 39 mm? While they are "transparent", but due to the very large storage pit is nothing in it to see after 17 rounds fired.
TO: from users when creating transparent containers emphasis on mechanical resistance and reliability even at the cost of larger dimensions. Tanks are the technological equivalent of tanks for gun G-36th Compared to standard aluminum, sheet metal or plastic bins of a resistance higher, both separately and in arms.
The primary function of a transparent container NOT control the number of rounds in the gun, but it is an overview of the state of ammunition in the unit immediately after contact with the enemy, then to the redistribution of ammunition between members and doz?soben? units. Tanks with a mechanical counter on the edge of bottom or back of the stack are susceptible to dirt and reduce resistance tray.

AN: magazine well is not compatible with STANAG trays, and therefore it is not possible to use the CZ 805 tanks of the Allied armies. Why did you not purchase established, smaller, lighter, cheaper and compatible standard trays STANAG?
TO: magazine well was constructed on the basis of tested containers CZUB. Another part is indicated in the response. 7. weight variation based on the greater resistance of the tray. View interviewer parties prices can not be assessed. For the needs of the ACR tanks are procured for the price at the time and place of the usual and do not exceed the price of this caliber cartridges.

AN: It is true that they are not called. Picatinny rails (mounting rails) certified?
TO: The weapons are Weaver rails according to MIL STD 1913. This fact was verified in the control trials and is currently being validated within the manufacturing representatives of Government Quality Assurance.

AN: Why release BREN A2 bought bayonets, when it do not fit?
TO: The request of the sponsor (tender) was to give each user a knife attack. The knives are supplied offensive guard and removable replaceable blade slot. User replacing these components can be modified knife to a gun attack on a standard personal attack knife.

AN: Why buying unproven products Meopta when there are market-proven products? Sight Meopta is about one third larger and heavier than for example a similar sight Aimpoint company. In exactly the same function but sight Meopta works up to 100 times less time than Aimpoint sights.
TO: Accessories has been sourced in the tender, where the minimum required parameters (weight, operational deployment - stamina, rectification, and thermal shock resistance and a number of other parameters). The condition was passing the inspection and field tests. Products Meopta set parameters and tests met. The selection criteria were in compliance with the basic parameters as well as the price and weight of the weapon system.

AN: Why is not supplied to the gun and flashlight?
TO: The flashlight was not part of the selection process for flat complement weapons. For the intended function of the acquisition and the introduction considered depending on funding.

AN: Because of the long joint is in the fully retracted shoulder restraint butt is still too long. When folding stock is not firmly fixed and is still moving.
TO: The length of the shoulder stock was adjusted according to the requirements of users in field tests. Also selected fixation folded shoulder support troop trials was found to be sufficient and suitable for the purpose. Fixation of stock in the folded position is guaranteed by the rigidity of the shoulder joint. This position is primarily used to transport weapons.

AN: Finally, please ask a general question: "Are there any plans to upgrade or design changes introduced rifles CZ 805 BREN A1 / A2?"
TO: The half of May 2013 are scheduled associated control and troop tests for UP CZ 805 BREN the magazine well MC (magazine compatible) and some variant accessories.

[RSR]

CADs of various new furniture and accessories for the BREN -- see links for photos:

http://www.armadninoviny.cz/modifikace-cz-805-bren-podle-armadnich-novin.html

Already for some time in the Army of the Czech Republic introduced an assault rifle CZ 805 BREN produced by the Czech Zbrojovky. Unfortunately, the soldiers received no explicitly welcome. On Internet forums appear particularly critical opinions to the barrel, cartridges or optics. Army newspapers have therefore decided to create their own modifications to the assault rifle CZ 805 BREN, using components from leading manufacturers. To this end, we have joined with Mr. Radek Bartoni?ka, an expert in 3D graphics, which realized our vision and ideas into these images.

And round 2 with reader feedback:

http://www.armadninoviny.cz/modifikace-cz-805-bren-podle-armadnich-novin-1.html

Article where we graphically edited Uhersk? rifle CZ 805 BREN, had a huge response among readers. Today free will build another link and show not only modified rifle CZ 805 BREN, but also modified submachine gun CZ Scorpion EVO 3 and gun mini. Czech Army soldiers, we have to warn you, "read the article at your own risk!". It may happen that you are frustrated by how beautiful and tuned weapon you could get - with a bit of backlash.

[RSR]

Problems w/ the Bren

Quick summary as I read it:
1. Non-adjustable stock length
2. Doesn't use Stanag Mags
3. Mags fall out/come loose when shooting
4. Mags don't fit their web gear and aren't compatible with off the shelf options -- mags actually larger than VZ58 mags
5. Slings don't stretch/have a bungee component (I think, not sure on this one)
6. Supplied optics fail after not a lot of shots
7. The gun jams

Other notes (? mark indicates not certain):
-Lack of detailed operating/disassembly/maintenance instructions?
-Problems chambering rounds -- chews up brass and bullet when feeding and sometimes jams
-Bayonet doesn't fit
-Now way to hold the weapon when stock folded and shoot accurately?
-Large mags, not stanag mags, why the size difference when 5.56 cartridges smaller (all again); -- my addition: mags are also reportedly heavier (at least empty) than VZ58 mags
-Polymer in weapon causes it to move/flex substantially when firing making irons sights almost unuseable (or possibly in relation to the charging handle in eyesight causing distraction/flinching?)
-Sharp edges on weapon (presumably rails) tears gloves and fingers if not gloves...
-Bipod is either unnecessary or unuseable -- something about monopoding on magazine being better?
-Iron shavings fly from the weapon during shooting causing shooters to always wear googles/be concerned about their eyes (presumably something with the internal rail/bolt/etc interfaces)?
-Difficulty with making the weapon safe -- something about either no clearing or not always igniting rounds, not sure which?
-Primarily an issue of extraction/stuck cases in chamber with brass being torn by extractor, possibly something else about recoil?




Google translate of gunexpert.cz:
http://www.gunexpert.cz/news/ohrozuje-nespolehliva-cz-805-zivoty-nasich-vojaku/

Threatens unreliable CZ 805 lives of our soldiers?
05/01/2012 19:31
http://www.novinky.cz/domaci/266331-cesti-vojaci-bojuji-i-se-svou-vyzbroji-jejich-nove-pusky-bren-selhavaji.html

    Multiplying complaints about the unreliability of the CZ 805 is probably a really saying about this article. Judging unilaterally is very unprofessional, so I will try to summarize what I know about the issue. The above article can unload yourself how you want 805ka certainly is not yet free from all childhood diseases, but if it was really wreck in Afghanistan would never let her. That weapon in harsh combat conditions sek?e becomes equally Glock, M4, or 805ce Sa vz 58. It is true, however, that failed to pades?tosmi?ka, it really must be ... luckily I have the opportunity to occasionally talk to the boys who were with 805kou serving in Afghanistan and am I supposed first-hand information. The facts are this:

1. A lot of problems can the army itself, since nenaspecifikovala exactly what he needs. This applies, although butt-folding, but this can be expendable. Soldiers need an adjustable length. And this is not to Bren.

Second Incompatible tray with NATO z?sobnn?ky to M4. The big problem. However, if you have information - again-army nenaspecifikovala. Zbrojovka it supposedly can do.

3. Tray fall during the shooting of the shaft. Apparently this is happening. I do not know, I've never seen. I've been testing for durability tests in Brod, I vybouchal few trays, nothing like that happened to me. But if it's really true - I can only pray behind boys. And I suggest you do too.

4. Hopper do not fit into any of the vest or sea squirts. They are simply larger than Sa 58. This is actually quite a problem I think. Rather it but see it as salts for one of the suppliers of equipment.

Fifth bearing belts weapons prevent stretching. Hm, it would probably be quite bothered me.

6th optics due to poor solutions leverage mount assembly after n?kalika dozens of shots from the gun falls. I've heard from several people about something to it.

7th I heard something about sticking ...

 

Because our site reads a lot of kids serving in Afghanistan, we give here a space for discussion, info first hand is closer to me than any censored advertising drivel.

Let me cite a few contributions of users from one discussion, what drove to the article army.cz. They are the soldiers who serve with the qv?ry ... Sadly reading 

72. mp member P??slavice:

, "That is nice to supplement operating instructions, though I've never met anyone jaho same with us, even though these weapons have"

"We are of the gun to shoot first time in about 14 days before the first firing, thus completely new weapons without interference soldiers, ammunition Czech SB, problems of feeding into the chamber, when the ejection charge that did not go into the chamber bruises on one side of the cartridge, so hard bad service, our similarly-pr?zkum?ci have those weapons for about 2 months and doted cool and suddenly these shootings same problems as Plum bring the weapons biting even when shooting a training ammunition when the shooter had a gun propped tank on the ground. ... .. we only use what we got and I am glad that I have this thing out in afgo?i because she did not believe it, at least not yet ... "

43. The members of the VMP Chrudim:

"While we are so amazingly tech weapons, so at someone show me how to put the rifle bayonet ... ... or how it is when folded butt decently fire when there is no place to put the hand"

"Why is the super modern weapons so big stack when it is smaller caliber than the SA58? Why it is not on the M4 magazine well? Where container was smaller why is it so hard? Why is everything relaxes while shooting a soldier It has all the time to check and fear that made him drop the mechanical sights ?? why I have all the time torn gloves on sharp edges? do not go round? Why when I try to handset submachine gun with bipod and I stack up in arms is the bipod totally unnecessary? why of the flying iron shavings and soldiers have to worry about your eyes? "

"N?koalika after shots blanks, I reached the conclusion I carried weapons security, I peered down the barrel and stayed there a charge, I did so three times a bouncer caught a second time to the charge, which was inserted in the barrel ... so where's the problem?"

"After less than a hundred blows from CZ805Bren I enable mechanical sights to which I had nessahal, where is the problem?"

"I am not an expert, just a normal user ... ... standard size of the charge is the maximum weight may vary missiles or dust composition. But it does not affect those defects which are Bren. It may tear or rip the cartridge bottom, but the new charge forced the conclusion to vyst?elen?ho in the chamber is not a defect ammo! A plastics do not fall off of the stock due to ammunition. Like stiff conclusion is not the fault of ammunition. "



V?ce zde: http://www.gunexpert.cz/news/ohrozuje-nespolehliva-cz-805-zivoty-nasich-vojaku/

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It looks like the chambering/extraction is the primary issue experienced in Afghanistan however:

http://zpravy.e15.cz/domaci/udalosti/nove-utocne-pusky-bren-ceske-armady-selhavaji-767197

(google translate translation):

The new assault rifle Bren Czech Army fail
New Bren assault rifles used by Czech soldiers in Afghanistan fail. Faults already reportedly showed 48 out of a total of 530 weapons. The causes of failure are looking directly at foreign military experts. If it does not reveal, will be labeled with rifles CZ 805 sent to check into Czech. She said that Czech Television (CT).

30 April 2012 20:53

Army bought from Czech Zbrojovka eight thousand rifles for Bren 1.5 billion, has so far delivered 3671 pieces. Rifles were given priority combat units.
According to TV problems lie mostly in jams charges. Some soldiers apparently experienced problems with the new guns in action. "One drive them to fight six failed. Thus, six people had to go to a backup weapon, "the statement quoted CT one of the soldiers on facebook. According to information from CT is a problem with the ejection of empty cartridges. Indeed, when nevylet?, another bullet stuck in the barrel.
Some sources from the army previously pointed out that the new rifles can be a problem. CZ 805 rifle because they felt the tender yet registered as a practical prototype neozkou?en? with unfinished development, which logically carries risks.

Czech arsenal But no errors aware, told television commercial director Ladislav Brita??k. "It will be important to get those weapons to us, able to look at them and say, what is actually happening," he said.
"I have no information that would result from failure assault rifles endangering the lives of soldiers. In any case, every soldier has short arms, which can be used, "said spokesman television Army General Staff Jana sprouts.

Author of the article: red

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And then there's this:

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/pusky-bren-budou-v-poradku-d0e-/zpr_nato.aspx?c=A120703_141219_zpr_nato_inc

(google translate translation):

Assault rifles are fine, assured command of troops
July 4, 2012   7:18
Army finished testing new assault rifles, CZ-805 BREN, whose functionality complained soldiers deployed in Afghanistan. Weapons will be okay and replace defective components manufacturer, reads the verdict.

The Ministry of Defence month, a very unusual way tested two dozen new assault rifles, in which during use in Afghanistan should appear assorted glitches.

Czech soldiers in a mission this spring complained that the weapons charge, for example, jamming, breaking the clips and parts cleaning. Command commissioned rifles converted back into Czech and weapons experts underwent harsh tests that no structural defects but not revealed.

"The end result rifles monthly testing is concluded that the vast majority of defects will be eliminated by adding user manuals and repeated training of armourers and weapons operators. These measures will be focused on the use of weapons in extreme conditions," said natoaktual.cz Defense Ministry spokesman Jan Pej?ek.

The manufacturer, therefore Czech arms factory, in addition sends to Afghanistan for a month or two of its specialists to spot all assault rifles at soldiers prefer to check. "Partial faulty components as broken buckles and parts cleaning contractor rifles at their own expense and exchange also initiate preventive controls all weapons, " he added Pej?ek.

Water, sand and mud
Soldiers and representatives arms companies selected weapons test really extraordinary way. Of the sixteen assault rifles, which are in Afghanistan, problems occur during the testing fired 7000 rounds.

In addition, the soldiers deliberately not clean nor nemazali and burrowing into the sand or shed water . Probably the most demanding test was when sprinkled weapons and sold out to them was muddy crust. Despite all this new rifle fired without major problems.

Tests should help reveal whether for failure can design defects, ammunition, or even poor maintenance of weapons. During the tests, soldiers used two types of ammunition - domestic manufacturers and Lithuania by the Ministry of Defence conveniently procured through NATO agency NAMSA.

According to an earlier statement Defence Minister Alexandr Vondra one unit deployed to Afghanistan sent back home about two dozen weapons. "For the second unit commander gave the order to cleanse soldiers weapons, and did not give back any. I did not see it so tragically, the introduction of new weaponry always experience similar problems, "said Vondra.

The Army ordered from the manufacturer almost eight thousand assault rifles at 1.1 billion. Deliveries are divided into three years. Meanwhile arsenal supplied over 3600 pieces. First, the new rifles rearming combat units.

Author: inc natoaktual.cz