Czechpoint VZ58 Builds?!?!

[RSR]

Thordsen has been sold out.  The only thing stopping me from purchasing my next pistol is the availability of the pistol in the US -- if the Thordsen tube is not an option I will SBR it.  Whatever.

Still (STILL) waiting for my tax stamps for my first SBR and suppressor.

I just don't know how acceptable AR tubes are on non-ARs.  They aren't required for function and are typically only mounted for the purposes of mounting stocks...  We would really be ahead if Czechpoint developed their own pistol brace and sold the brace and teh pistol as one unit, as well as the brace by itself in their store...

[RSR]

Thordsen has been sold out.  The only thing stopping me from purchasing my next pistol is the availability of the pistol in the US -- if the Thordsen tube is not an option I will SBR it.  Whatever.

Still (STILL) waiting for my tax stamps for my first SBR and suppressor.

Don't see why you couldn't take a standard stock tube and put jb weld in the hole portion... Their stock tube is the only thing that's out of stock...  Best of my knowledge -- and not a lawyer -- it's what you mount to buffer tubes that the ATF defines as a stock, not the tube itself...  So so long as an AR stock can't be installed on the tube, you should be GTG.



Also, the ledge doesn't look to be required either to install the Thorsden setup, just makes it more secure: http://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/2f96mo/questions_about_thordsenkak_tube_compatibility_as/

Again, not sure about the legal footing of an AR buffer tube on a weapon where it's not essential...  Might be ahead to stick w/ ARs and SBR other platforms before adding...

[CollectorVegas]

Hmmm...

$850 more than a VZ2008.  I don't think so.  I could have gotten three VZ2008's and still have money left over for a nice steak dinner.

Has anyone shot one of these and a VZ2008 in the same exact conditions, to compare accuracy?  Having the receiver drilled for the optic mount is very nice.  And the finish is obviously nicer on these.  But no threaded barrel to switch out muzzle devices is a real bummer.  That offsets the drilling for the optic mount in my mind.  I'd rather have the VZ58 just due to the nicer finish, and probably a longer service life for the barrel.  But no going to be paying $850 more for it. 

Fire suit on.

I agree!!  Can someone please tell me why they would pay that much when they could have got the Vz2008 for $379?

[Enthusiasm]

sigh,
Would someone tell me why someone would spend  100,000 dollars on a Mercedes
When a new corolla can be bought for 14,000?

[CollectorVegas]

sigh,
Would someone tell me why someone would spend  100,000 dollars on a Mercedes
When a new corolla can be bought for 14,000?

So you are saying my vz2008's are corolla's and the other is that much better to be a mercedes???

I have some grate AK's, fn fal, sigs and others piston Ar's and I think my 2 vz2008s are way better than any other rifle I have fired..
I absolutely love both of my VZ2008's..All time favorite hands down. And I think I'm a VZ2008 "FAN BOY" for sure!!

Never had a problem..

With that price I could buy 3 of the made in USA vz2008s and still have enough to buy more mags and a "steak dinner!"

Maybe I need to try and go rent one of these other Vz 58 builds, but I can't imagine what could possibly make that big of a difference.
I'm new to this board and still learning. so you must know more than i do..
Please school me why mine is a corolla and the other is a mercedes..

Thanks

[RSR]

Great part of America is that you're free to spend your money how you wish...  Nothing wrong with paying more if you wish...  Don't need to start all the flaming again...

Both are completely functional rifles and both have the same number of Czech parts.  Those parts just vary.  Prices also vary.  Make your choice based upon what's best for you.

[CollectorVegas]

Great part of America is that you're free to spend your money how you wish...  Nothing wrong with paying more if you wish...  Don't need to start all the flaming again...

Both are completely functional rifles and both have the same number of Czech parts.  Those parts just vary.  Prices also vary.  Make your choice based upon what's best for you.

Thanks

Please don't get me wrong. I'm really not trying to start all the flaming again..
I really want to know what is the big difference to justify such a price disparity between $379 and $1,250.00???
I'm sure if that CSA vz 58 is anything like my VZ2008s  it imust be an awesome rifle as well!

I thank you for letting me know.

Cheers!

[Brasky]

sigh,
Would someone tell me why someone would spend  100,000 dollars on a Mercedes
When a new corolla can be bought for 14,000?

A Mercedes and a corolla have far different features and cannot be compared in this vz argument.

[RSR]

A Mercedes and a corolla have far different features and cannot be compared in this vz argument.

The points I consider are the badging (Czech Receiver), the materials (primarily barrel being Czech/German for CSA and German luxury usually running more expensive alloys), and the finishes (luxury items have finer finishes both internal and out -- CSA will have less machining marks and enamel over parkerizing or whatever they use on the receiver under enamel, whereas Century will have more machining marks and has a teflon finish).

How they're similar: both have engines, tires, hold same # of people, and similar reliability...

The main functional difference between Century VZ2008s and CSA guns is the bolt carrier tab. 
First gen VZ2008s had the tab and the AWO/ORF receiver that closely mimicked the CSA guns.  CSA sued Century for patent infringement, which led to the receiver changes and tab deletion best I can tell.  The semi auto VZ58 has to have the tab, so you're going to want to add that yourself if you own a VZ2008...

These are good reads too, but with Czechpoint now making some rifles here w/ varying 922r parts, and now w/ 16" German barrel -- some of these won't apply.
http://www.xcrforum.com/forum/7-general-discussion/7380-if-you-considering-vz-58-a.html
http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/rifles/26466-cz-58-versus-vz2008.html

Inversely, there's this review on CSA being superior, but read the comments for add'l discussion: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/joe-grine/gun-review-czech-vzor-58/

[CollectorVegas]

A Mercedes and a corolla have far different features and cannot be compared in this vz argument.

The points I consider are the badging (Czech Receiver), the materials (primarily barrel being Czech/German for CSA and German luxury usually running more expensive alloys), and the finishes (luxury items have finer finishes both internal and out -- CSA will have less machining marks and enamel over parkerizing or whatever they use on the receiver under enamel, whereas Century will have more machining marks and has a teflon finish).

How they're similar: both have engines, tires, hold same # of people, and similar reliability...

The main functional difference between Century VZ2008s and CSA guns is the bolt carrier tab. 
First gen VZ2008s had the tab and the AWO/ORF receiver that closely mimicked the CSA guns.  CSA sued Century for patent infringement, which led to the receiver changes and tab deletion best I can tell.  The semi auto VZ58 has to have the tab, so you're going to want to add that yourself if you own a VZ2008...

These are good reads too, but with Czechpoint now making some rifles here w/ varying 922r parts, and now w/ 16" German barrel -- some of these won't apply.
http://www.xcrforum.com/forum/7-general-discussion/7380-if-you-considering-vz-58-a.html
http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/rifles/26466-cz-58-versus-vz2008.html

Inversely, there's this review on CSA being superior, but read the comments for add'l discussion: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/joe-grine/gun-review-czech-vzor-58/

Thank you for that info..

I have one question though.....If both of mine fire without any problems.. Could you explain why I need a tab?? I have hundreds if not thousand of rounds through both myVz2008s

[RSR]

See the gremlin sticky.

Mainly if you're looking for an optimally light trigger is where you'll see gremlins w/ the VZ2008, though it's not the exclusive cause.

[CollectorVegas]

See the gremlin sticky.

Mainly if you're looking for an optimally light trigger is where you'll see gremlins w/ the VZ2008, though it's not the exclusive cause.

Ok. thanks I will check that sticky out.

[Enthusiasm]

I looked at my investment in my DTechnic vz58 as an investment in possible life saving gear.
I have a couple other fun rifles. Sks's. But my vz58 is my "go to war" option if you will, and I want this option to be as rugged as it can be and as risistant to the weather as possible.
I was also sure I was going to want to upgrade to an ambi mag release and tactical bolt release and those upgrades are more successful on the CSA builds

[jb2sea]

*Finish is said to be nicer on the CSA.  Although I'm more than pleased with the finish on my ZV2008, now that I have it in hand. 
*The barrels are chrome lined Czech barrels.  There is a whole long debate about the value of chrome lining.   But it's generally accepted that it is preferred.  However, it's said that the VZ2008 barrels are from Green Mountain.  A company known for quality barrels.  So I'm not sure there is any advantage at all with barrels.
*The CSA carrier is already tabbed.  You need to spend $50 to get the VZ2008 carrier tabbed.  Cost difference down to only $800 now.

*The VZ2008 comes with bolt hold open after the last round.  IMHO, that far outweighs the tabbed carrier of the CSA.

Unless you put a whole lot of value on how the finish looks, no way I'd spend $800 more for the CSA.

[CollectorVegas]

*Finish is said to be nicer on the CSA.  Although I'm more than pleased with the finish on my ZV2008, now that I have it in hand. 
*The barrels are chrome lined Czech barrels.  There is a whole long debate about the value of chrome lining.   But it's generally accepted that it is preferred.  However, it's said that the VZ2008 barrels are from Green Mountain.  A company known for quality barrels.  So I'm not sure there is any advantage at all with barrels.
*The CSA carrier is already tabbed.  You need to spend $50 to get the VZ2008 carrier tabbed.  Cost difference down to only $800 now.

*The VZ2008 comes with bolt hold open after the last round.  IMHO, that far outweighs the tabbed carrier of the CSA.

Unless you put a whole lot of value on how the finish looks, no way I'd spend $800 more for the CSA.

Thanks!  I also heard that in some test the VZ2008 barrel was more accurate??? Is that possible??