Show us your Skorpion Evo 3's!

[pedro66]

question for Pedro...is that an airsoft stock you put on your dealer sample firearm?

We have one with an original old style stock and one with Airsoft and as the Airsoft is made on CZ molds you cannot outwardly tell the difference, the new guns are coming with a slightly different stock with a metal end cap like the one that comes on the pistol with a magnet instead of the the original stock

[mikec]

What is the purpose of metal/magnet in the stock?

Airsoft version of Scorpion Evo is about $500, they have apparently done an excellent job on the reproduction.   So furniture should fit like a glove.

[DDNC]

What is the purpose of metal/magnet in the stock?

Airsoft version of Scorpion Evo is about $500, they have apparently done an excellent job on the reproduction.   So furniture should fit like a glove.

The current lock mechanism on the stock is a upward protrusion on the shoulder end that clips under a recess right above the capture pin on the right front of the receiver. I have seen several examples that after repeated opening/closing, the upper lip of the receiver recess becomes gouged from the upward protrusion clicking in and out of said recess.
The magnet holds the stock closed when it engages a circular steel piece also on the receiver above the recess. The stock plate the slides over the rear of the gun and contains the folding release button is aluminum instead of polymer and yes the air soft stock is indistinguishable from the current real steel folder. The air soft model is made from the exact same polymer as the firearms and I believe the upper receiver halves may even be able to accommodate the bolt assembly. It's made from the same molds. Go to 1:30 in the video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SnElSpmKdWE#

[armoredman]

Forum members are reminded that even if the airsoft folding stock fits, attaching it to a Scorpion EVO pistol is illegal, as NO SBR FORM 1s have been approved for this firearm. None. If the airsoft stock fits, simply HAVING it in the same house as a working Scorpion can be construed as *constructive possession*. Do NOT run afoul of the law - I know exactly how bad prison can be, and you do NOT want to live here.

[DDNC]

......NO SBR FORM 1s have been approved for this firearm. None.

Are you sure about that? I believe there has and it is in the E file registry pull down menu as well.
I don't think they are foolish enough to post this without a stamp. For clarification purposes yes, you must have ATF approval to apply a stock to a short barreled firearm and should not posses one without approval.
Semi auto SBR
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Re3aReQ8g1I#

[armoredman]

SBR form 1 takes approximately 6-9 months from what I am told - the pistol has been available for how long?
SOT 7 can BUILD such as dealer samples, I believe, and show them off, but to the absolute best of my knowledge, no individual has been given an SBR tax stamp for the Scorpion, as the Scorpion has not yet been adjudicated as not falling under 922(r) for SBR. Remember, CZ-USA is the outfit that has the request into ATFE for clarification before they sell the parts to SBR the weapon.
 As for what people put on the internet...yesterday a murderer was found because he posted a picture of himself next to the dead body on Instagram, IIRC. 

I freely admit I could be wrong - ask my wife how many times I've been wrong in the past! I am also new to the NFA game, but I will always err on the side of caution. Over 12 years as a correctional professional shows me I do NOT want to live here.

[DDNC]

Form 1 paper forms are currently taking 3-6 months. Eforms are averaging as little as 20-30 days. I have had several efile form 1s approved in as little as 5 days some 18-20 days and I know of several who have already have in process forms 1's for this particular firearm. I have been in the NFA game for many years now so it is happening.

[armoredman]

Ok, I'll buy that - do you have a link to that page you mentioned? I'd like to see a completed approved Form 1 for SBR the Scorpion so I can justify socking away the $200 myself to get it done. it would make a very interesting firearm much more fun.

[DDNC]

Which page would that be? Approved form 1s are emailed to the recipient only. However, if you go to AR15.com under pistol caliber carbines, subheading: CZ scorpion, there are at least 6-8 people that have already e-filed for a form 1. There is a copy of one efile application, not the stamp that shows this is being done. I myself e-filed last week. Be advised that e-file is currently only available for trust submissions.
Be that as it may, ATF actually called some people because they put the manufacturer as CZ-USA which it is not. It is Ceska Zbrojovka, Czech Rep. ATF actually themselves changed the form to indicate such. Usually any mistakes are disapproved and you must apply for a refund and reapply.
The point is, they are not too worried about these being SBR'ed. Also, know that just because it gets approved and a stamp issued, does not an SBR make. Until you put on a stock and make it an SBR it remains a pistol, etc. You can also call ATF and say you never made it an SBR and have it removed from the registry as well as if you did make it an SBR, can notify them you intended it to now be a rifle, (16 in barrel length) and also remove it from the registry.
Personally, I think the whole deal with CZ usa inquiring about SBR status is so they will be able to provide some US made parts not whether you can do it or not. CZ usa making inquiry to ATF about this issue has zero bearing on that. CZ, Czech rep. most likely doesn't give a rats ass because they can't make US parts and some reps. from CZ usa, at shot show said they WILL NOT be offering the OEM stock as a separate item. Someone in the US will be making these as the buffer end plate will already accept a U.S. made AR stock. ( providing you have a stamp).

Please, !!!! whomever reads this for the love of Pete, DO NOT start writing letters to ATF asking if you can do this or that. That is what screwed it up for people wanting a brace. Applying and making an SBR is a totally legal procedure, END OF STORY. They actually do look at what you applying to do and will let you know if you cannot.

[Greankrayon]

No imported stock... Maybe I won't get a scorpion after all.

[DDNC]

Don't let that discourage you. A few things to keep in mind;
Just because some dude says one thing like no stocks,  doesn't always mean that's what will happen.
A imported stock won't help in you 922 count.
Lastly there are plenty AR type stocks that will work and look fine on this. I have F93 stocks on my VZ 58s and they look like they were made for the gun. IMHO much better than the beaver barf stocks they came with. 

[armoredman]

CZ-USA told me today they have had no one come to them with a completed Form for a stock to add on to the Scorpion. if someone is getting a Form completed and approved in record time and using the air soft stock, OK, if it's legal, very cool for them.

Which page would that be?

Are you sure about that? I believe there has and it is in the E file registry pull down menu as well

Your previous post seems to state that completed and approved Form 1s exist. That's why I asked, would be happy to congratulate those persons who managed to get it all done in less than a month - the first regular Scorpions shipped the week before SHOT.
Don't misunderstand me, I am ALL FOR the Scorpion being deemed OK for SBR, because I will go to one of my NFA guys to help with getting the form right the first time, and you are right - CZ_USA is an importer, not a manufacturer, of the Scorpion.
[quote+DDNC]some reps. from CZ USA, at shot show said they WILL NOT be offering the OEM stock as a separate item.[/quote]
I was there, didn't hear that. I heard from the higher ups saying they MIGHT offer them for SBR purposes, no absolutes yet. Nothing is set in stone, especially in the business world, especially in the cutthroat world of firearms business, where companies have to keep a weather eye not only on competitors, but governments as well.

Once again, I hope that all goes well in the NFA world - heck, I hope the recent court victories over GCA 68 will soon lead to victories over NFA 34, too! I'd LOVE to see original Scorpion EVO select fire models on the local shelves! I remember seeing MAC-10s for $400 waaaay back in the day as a wee sprat, too young to buy one...the days before Hughes.

[DDNC]

I'll shoot you a copy of mine when it gets approved.

[armoredman]

I would very much appreciate that - personal data redacted of course. I really would love to see it happen fast, seriously.

[TF135Sierra2Xray]

Don't let that discourage you. A few things to keep in mind;
Just because some dude says one thing like no stocks,  doesn't always mean that's what will happen.
A imported stock won't help in you 922 count.
Lastly there are plenty AR type stocks that will work and look fine on this. I have F93 stocks on my VZ 58s and they look like they were made for the gun. IMHO much better than the beaver barf stocks they came with.

Agreed!  If I do ever SBR mine its getting a MFT minimalist stock!