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Offline RSR

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How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« on: April 05, 2015, 04:37:17 PM »
Good read here: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/03/how-to-buy-ak-optics-and-mounts/

Forends for VZ58s are primarily NEA/Troy and Bonesteel for cowitness.  And some other options that don't allow cowitness.

I'd add the Bushnell 1-4x FFP scope to the list  (the one w/ the quick change lever, ones w/o that lever are 2nd focal plane and relatively standard) as well as primary arms scopes and reddots as good options too. 

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2015, 08:15:04 PM »
US Optics:
I love ACOGs for battle rifles.  If you have never looked down one on a sunny day or a dark night, you owe it to yourself to try it.  Battery's not included required.  EO-Techs are not for me - over rated IMHO.

Mounts (quality, R&R zero, stable):
RS Regulate = A+
Midwest =A+

RE: Krebs -- anything Mark does is First Class

Russian Optics:
The author appears somewhat limited in his knowledge of these optics and US distributors.  He pointed out Wolf distribution (which is certainly new to me), however Kalinka sells and services Combloc optics in the US (out of Georgia I think?)  and has for many years.  I have acquired several optics from them and they have provided me with after sales support as well as parts and accessories.  I agree with the NPZ recommendation, however there are other manufacturers that excel as well. Some of these factory's where tooled up originally under Ziess.  Glass and clarity on some of the Russian and Belarus optics are second to none.

I am about to test out the Primary Arms 1x6 scope with 7.62x39 ballistic reticle. I have high hopes for it as it was endorsed by Rob Ski, who takes it out to 300 and 400 yards.



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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2015, 09:58:36 PM »
Read that article earlier.  I've been considering the Hi Lux B Dot for the last couple of weeks now, and it was highly recc. by that article.  I'm down to either the B Dot or the HoloSun HS403G.  Opinions?  Sounds like the B Dot is tough.  But the HoloSun has auto on, which I like the sound of. 

I'm going to call both companies tomorrow.  Mainly just to talk to customer service and get an idea of what to expect if I ever have to deal with either one.  But I do have a couple of questions I can't find the answer for on both optics.

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2015, 04:19:39 PM »
FYI, I compared the HiLux B Dot (Mdl MBD1-20) with the HoloSun HS403G:

Both optics cost $190-200.  Both use the 2032 battery.  Both have close to the same battery life at around 6 years.  Both are compatible with T1 mounts.  Both are 2 MOA dots.  Both have 1/2 MOA adjustment and use the cap itself to make the adjustments.  Both have top mounted controls and have batteries mounted on the right side for easy access to battery changes without removing the scope (every 6 years!).  Dots are said to be plenty bright for daytime use on both.  Both are compatible with NV.  Both have the auto off feature.  I know the HiLux auto off is adjustable, and I think the HoloSun G is adjustable as well.

B Dot 3.8 oz with the mount
G        3.0 oz 
B Dot  No auto on
G         Has auto on
B  1 Year warranty
G  3 year warranty

The B Dot seems to have been torture tested (judging by the above article) while I haven't seen any testing of the HoloSun G.  However, I own a HoloSun A and it has held up just fine in the year or so that I've owned it.  That certainly is not torture testing though.  The B Dot comes with sturdy flip caps and a killflash, usually items you have to pay extra for.  For me, it comes down to the auto on feature, the warranties, and how I feel about each company.  So I called both. 

HiLux answered and a very helpful American lady answered my questions.  They are located in southern California.  She knew the product and the information, which I appreciated.  But I didn't like the warranty info I received.  While it's lifetime on the metal part of the B Dot, it's only one year on the electrical components.  If something is going to fail, what do you think it would be?  Also, you have to have a receipt, or file a warranty card within 10 days of purchase or you get no help.  Judging by the warranty, my impression is that they don't have a lot of faith in their product.  I also noted that Midway started to carry the product but has already discontinued it.  I have no idea why.  I called Midway but the guy who answered also had no idea why they discontinued it. 

I called HoloSun as well.  Twice.  But I got an answering machine each time.  I left a vmail, but so far, no call back.  I did look at their warranty statement on the web and discovered that while they also say it has a lifetime warranty, that too is only on the metal part.  The optics and electronics only have a three year warranty.  Still better than HiLux, but not what their advertisement leads a consumer to believe.  I wanted to verify the dimensions (couldn't find that anywhere) and a couple other questions.  I hope I hear back from them, as I won't buy from a company that I can't talk with.  I'll update if/when I hear back from HoloSun.

From what I've read, these two seem to be two of the better RDS choices in the $200 price range.  It would be nice to see one of them back up their product with a better warranty.  Anyone have input on which of these two would be the better one to buy??

I called HoloSun 

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2015, 04:34:47 PM »
Curious, is there a definitive reason why the PA red dot optics are not on your radar?  They appear to have decent reviews and have been successfully torture tested by a few folks. https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_s/586.htm
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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2015, 04:44:49 PM »
They are excellent optics for the $100 price point.  I have three of them.  But I'm looking at lightweight optics around the $200 price point.

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2015, 06:05:29 PM »
The more expensive Primary Arms red dots w/ the 50k hour battery life are in fact HoloSuns per primary arms own review video of the new red dots...

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2015, 08:13:29 PM »
I need the auto off feature.  I'm really bad about turning them off after a range trip.  So much so that I carry spare batteries for my spare batteries now.  And I WANT the auto on too!

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2015, 10:48:28 AM »
I need the auto off feature.  I'm really bad about turning them off after a range trip.  So much so that I carry spare batteries for my spare batteries now.  And I WANT the auto on too!

50,000 hours run time on the PA - just leave it on!  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBuqsaWDgIk#t=32

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Advanced_Micro_Dot_with_Push_Buttons_p/md-ads.htm
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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2015, 11:15:53 AM »
True.  But just think about how long that battery will last if it has the auto off feature!  I doubt you would EVER have to change the battery.

And it doesn't offer auto on.  If you're grabbing your rifle in a dire situation, that could be super important.  No need to find that little button (potentially in the dark) to turn the scope on.

Oh, and auto brightness control would be nice too.

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2015, 01:17:45 PM »
True.  But just think about how long that battery will last if it has the auto off feature!  I doubt you would EVER have to change the battery.

And it doesn't offer auto on.  If you're grabbing your rifle in a dire situation, that could be super important.  No need to find that little button (potentially in the dark) to turn the scope on.

Oh, and auto brightness control would be nice too.

Holy cow! you want a lot of features for under $200.
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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2015, 01:37:09 PM »
Seeing as how the top of the line lithium batteries for cameras and the like have a 15 year shelf life and most others (including relatively cheaply produced coin cells) have a 10 year...  I think your battery life requirements are pushing the limits of current battery technology...  Auto shutoff you'd have to replace the batteries every 6 years or so most likely in real world use...  Vs probably every 3 or so to error on the safe side w/ the 5 year optic.  And these are $1 to $2 coin cell batteries as well. 

Food for thought -- your needs are your own and not trying to change them.

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 09:34:30 PM »
I was only kidding about ever having to change the battery.  Yes, what you're saying about battery life is exactly what I was thinking.  If a vendors claim 5-6 year battery life, I'll assume 3.  As far as I know, none of us has ever tested to see if what they say is true.  Heck, these $200 optics haven't been on the market that long.  So with the auto off feature, I think I'd be OK with assuming 5-6 years.  That is double what I would expect without the auto off feature.  I'd say that is worth some extra money.

And I particularly like the idea of the auto on feature, as I mentioned. 

The auto brightness control on the HoloSun is said to work very well too. 

Maybe I need to wait for the Holosun 515C to be released!  I'm hoping the pricing will be good on that one.  Now if they would just concentrate on their customer service.  No call back from them again today.  Sounds to me like they are working on getting great products with neat features to market, but are completely ignoring customer service. 
 

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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 07:55:54 AM »
And although many people know it, some don't:
RS Regulate also makes VZ.58 mounts.  The VZ-304 lower puts optics directly over-bore and as low as the dust cover allows.
Owner: RSRegulate.com

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Re: How To Buy AK Optics and Mounts
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2015, 05:40:00 PM »
To update...

Sounds like the message thing on HoloSun's website is the way to get in touch with them.  I sent a message from their site and got an email back within just a couple minutes with a name/number to call.  I called and the gentleman I spoke with was nice and very knowledgeable of their products. 

I mainly asked about size on the HS403G and about their warranty.  FYI, size on the 403G is 60mm long x 35mm wide (includes the adj. turret) x 35mm tall (does not include the mount).  Sounds like about the size of the AimPoint T1. 

On the warranty, it's 3 years on the electrical components (vs 1 year on the HiLux) and they pay shipping both ways.  Repair center is in California.  It has 12 brightness setting with the last 3 being NV compatible (info I couldn't find anywhere else).  It does not have auto brightness control.  Their 515C will be out in June and it does have auto bright control, along with all the other features of the 403G.  It also has solar power.   Street price on the 515C will be in the $250-300 range.

If these HoloSun optics are tough, they will be hard acts to follow.  I have the 403A now, and it has worked fine for me.  No problems at all.