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Offline P01man

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Re: N320 Ladders with 4 different bullets
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2015, 04:15:18 AM »
Also I am having great success with the RCBS powder drop with micrometer set up on my Hornady LnL AP.  With N320, deviations are no more than 0.02 grain, measured with a precision digital scale good for 0.001 gn.  Using all 5 stations:

Redding - de primer / sizer

Redding expander

RCBS powder drop with micrometer

Redding competition seating die with micrometer

Redding competition trimming die with micrometer


Also do it in 2 steps - sizer + expander, followed by the rest, repeating the expander.

Amazingly good, consistent and worry free  :)    I have tried the whole gamut of dies - Redding is well worth the premium.

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Re: N320 Ladders with 4 different bullets
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2015, 04:02:02 PM »
More loads.  I got in a shipment of Blue Bullets, and I also ran ladders with MG 124gr JHP.  All three loads came in lighter than expected.  That's not surprising with the two Blue Bullets loads as I was dealing with a new bullet and was plenty conservative, but I expected more than I got out of the MG 124 JHP.


Bullet:      Montana Gold 124gr JHP
Powder:      N320
Primers:      Federal SPP
Brass:         Starline -- used
OAL:           1.078
 
3.7gr      Avg fps - 933  fps  |  PF-116  | SD-12  | ES-42
3.8gr      Avg fps - 965  fps  |  PF-120  | SD-17  | ES-56
3.9gr      Avg fps - 984  fps  |  PF-122  | SD-6    | ES-21
4.0gr      Avg fps - 1003 fps |  PF-124  | SD-10  | ES-33

I was hoping to get a little more velocity than that for the 4.0gr.  I know 4.2 is common for people to get to around PF133, but that's typically loaded longer, around 1.13, and we have a forum regular who is getting to about that with 4.0gr at an OAL of around 1.09/1.1, so I was thinking 4.0gr might do what I need, but....

I'll be adding to this ladder, obviously.  I'd like to get around 1070.
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Bullet:      Blue Bullets 125gr RN
Powder:      N320
Primers:      Federal SPP
Brass:         Starline -- used
OAL:           1.1
 
3.5gr      Avg fps - 957  fps  |  PF-120  | SD-13  | ES-45
3.6gr      Avg fps - 977  fps  |  PF-122  | SD-6    | ES-22
3.7gr      Avg fps - 989  fps  |  PF-124  | SD-13  | ES-49
3.8gr      Avg fps - 1000 fps |  PF-125  | SD-5    | ES-18


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Bullet:      Blue Bullets 147gr RN
Powder:      N320
Primers:      Federal SPP
Brass:         Starline -- used
OAL:           1.12
 
2.8gr      Avg fps - 789  fps  |  PF-116  | SD-8  | ES-33
3.0gr      Avg fps - 853  fps  |  PF-125  | SD-6  | ES-19
3.1gr      Avg fps - 855  fps  |  PF-126  | SD-8  | ES-28
3.2gr      Avg fps - 870  fps  |  PF-128  | SD-4  | ES-15
3.3gr      Avg fps - 874  fps  |  PF-128  | SD-6  | ES-20

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I think I have an issue with charge weights I need to get sorted out.  I'm building these ladders on the 650, and because it takes no time at all to run off ten rounds, it feels like I spend 80% of my time adjusting the powder drop for the next charge weight.  Not wanting the extra time dealing with the beam scale, I've been using the electronic scale on my RCBS Chargemaster to set up the powder drop.  Even a tenth of a grain has a window, and when I get set for 3.2 grains, I don't know if it's 3.21 or 3.29.  I'm getting some notably mild velocity bumps here and there for my incremental charge weights here, and I've noticed it on several ladders recently, and I think that's the problem.  My "3.2gr" charge might be 3.28, and the next charge weight of "3.3gr" may actually be 3.31, so it's a tenth of a grain difference on paper, but maybe only a few hundredths of a grain in actual difference.  I hate to add the extra time of the beam into the already tedious powder drop adjustments while building ladders on a progressive, but if that's what I have to do....

The Blue Bullets are nice.  I did get a little blue on my finger tips, but it washed right off.  I did pull one after crimping and had no scrapes through the coating.  The coating is also very evenly applied.  It's not the Hi-Tek that Bayou and BBI and several others use.  It's some proprietary blend.  They do resize it again after the coating has been applied and cured.  I am guessing others do this, as well, but this coating seems more evenly applied than the Hi-Tek coated bullets I've used.  They're very uniform.  I've seen others speaking to these being more accurate than other coated bullets, but I can't speak to that at this time.  I ran 160 rounds through one target today, so I had a big hole.

I'll also add that I love the standard deviations I get out of coated bullets.  It makes me feel like I'm doing something right.   ;)

More to come.
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Re: N320 Ladders with 4 different bullets
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2015, 07:18:59 PM »
ID - Were you using .356 Blue Bullets? Did you check your barrel to see if there is any lead build up?
I chose to order .358 and have little to no leading after 300 to 400 rounds.
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Re: N320 Ladders with 4 different bullets
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2015, 07:24:51 PM »
I did get the .356.  I did not check for leading.

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Re: N320 Ladders MORE bullets
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2015, 08:04:53 PM »
Have you had issues with leading and Blue Bullets? The instances I've read of have been fixed with better belling.  I shot them through the VP9, as well, so I will have to check both.

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Re: N320 Ladders MORE bullets
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2015, 08:24:03 PM »
We get get quite different results with the MG 124 JHPs.  At 1.097, 4 GRS N320, Win or R&P cases,  my pro chrono show well over 130 PF.  Chrono cked  more than once with the same results. 😕

ADDED:  since these chrono's I've found and corrected  the results:   The drops were very close to a 4.1 average.   It depended on how the LEE powder pan was turned.  :P  Bought a more reliable scale.
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Re: N320 Ladders MORE bullets
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2015, 05:39:20 PM »
Have you had issues with leading and Blue Bullets? The instances I've read of have been fixed with better belling.  I shot them through the VP9, as well, so I will have to check both.

My 75B & 85C slugged at .3555+- and my SP-01 at .3553+-. At .356 I was scrubbing & scrubbing and using lead solvent to get the barrel back to normal.
I tried Bayou & Blue at .357 and had a bit less leading. The 75B & 85C had a bit more leading then the SP01 but not like the .356 bullets.
James recommended to give the .358 a try. No issues whatsoever since I switched to .358
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Re: N320 Ladders MORE bullets
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2015, 05:23:57 PM »
I see no leading in either the CZ or the VP9, but I honestly haven't shot enough of the Blues to say for sure.  I'll keep an eye out.

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Re: N320 Ladders with 4 different bullets
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2016, 01:26:17 PM »
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Bullet:      XTreme 147 RN-HPCB
Powder:      N320
Primers:      Federal SPP
Brass:         Starline -- virgin
OAL:           1.16   

Normally, if I'm going to continue a ladder, I'll redo the highest one or two charges from the previous run so that I can see if the continuation lines up with the original, but I was lazy and started with the next charge weight.  Original ladder in italics.  VP9 load in blue.

3.1gr      Avg fps - 786  |  PF-115  | SD-8    | ES-27
3.2gr      Avg fps - 837  |  PF-123  | SD-27  | ES-78
3.3gr      Avg fps - 847  |  PF-125  | SD-20  | ES-60
3.4gr      Avg fps - 866  |  PF-127  | SD-15  | ES-40
3.5gr      Avg fps - 895  |  PF-132  | SD-7    | ES-22     

3.6gr      Avg fps - 910  |  PF-134  | SD-6    | ES-18
3.7gr      Avg fps - 924  |  PF-136  | SD-10  | ES-33
3.7gr      Avg fps - 919  |  PF-135  | SD-5    | ES-15  --- HK VP9


I was planning on reshooting the 124gr Xtreme HP ladder and continuing the 135gr Xtreme HP ladder.  However, the sun stopped that yet again.  I shot the 115gr XTReme HP strings over the chrono first thing this morning, and with the exception of one shot that registered over 3000 feet/sec (which obviously I dropped), it worked fine.  I moved on to the 135gr XTreme HPs, and the sun came out, and everything went to crap.  The RNs then chronoed fine.  It's only these XTreme HPs that are doing it, and I'm wondering if in addition to the bullets being super shiny that the shape of the hollowpoint cavity may be a problem.  The cavity isn't round.  It's hexagonal.  I know shiny bullets can sometimes cause problems with direct sunlight glinting off the nose into the chrono sensors, and I'm wondering if the six faces inside the cavity are reflecting light like a disco ball spinning spinning at 1200 revolutions per second.  I'm going to have to build a super screen for the chrono sometime soon.


This is great info... but given the relatively tight SD with 3.1gr, I can only assume that accuracy was good. Can you comment on the the accuracy? I'm shooting a bullseye match on Monday with N320 and Xtreme 147gr RN. 125 PF is not a requirement. I'm using an Accushadow. I realize the bullet profile is different, but this data may get me in the ballpark of working my loads for this particular match. Thanks.

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Re: N320 Ladders MORE bullets
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2016, 04:24:47 PM »
ID,  my results with the MGs were likely skewed high because they were taken when I modded disks to drop 4.0 n320 USING the LEE scale.
With the Eliminator scale,  the drops averaged just under 4.1 grains & Some were 4.1 grains.
I've corrected my 4.0 and 4.1 disk holes using the new scale and will rechrono the MGs when I get a chance and decent weather.

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Re: N320 Ladders with 4 different bullets
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2016, 11:34:16 AM »
This is great info... but given the relatively tight SD with 3.1gr, I can only assume that accuracy was good. Can you comment on the the accuracy? I'm shooting a bullseye match on Monday with N320 and Xtreme 147gr RN. 125 PF is not a requirement. I'm using an Accushadow. I realize the bullet profile is different, but this data may get me in the ballpark of working my loads for this particular match.

Tight standard deviations don't always translate to good accuracy, though at 50 yards it might help you out with elevation, in particular.

I didn't shoot groups that day, and I have not loaded more of those XT 147gr RN-HPCB since that day, so I can't comment on accuracy. That particular Xtreme bullet is the most accurate plated bullet I've fired, and it doesn't seem to have a powder it doesn't like.   That said, I have found groups with 147gr bullets in my CZ to tighten up groups a bit somewhere around 925 feet/sec.  I load 147gr in the 935-940 feet/sec range.  Also, for 9mm bullseye loads, you want 115gr bullets between 1200 and 1300, and plated bullets are probably your worst option.  Lead, jacketed, and coated will outdo plated.

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Re: Load Testing: VihtaVuouri N320 powder
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2022, 05:29:57 PM »
Load testing of RMR 124gr JHP at extremely short OAL done on the last day of 2022

Equipment
Caliber:     9x19 Luger
Bullets:     Rocky Mntn Reloading 124gr JHP
Brass:       RWS
Powder:    VihtaVuori N320
Max Velocity:  ~1070 fps
Primer:    CCI Small Pistol
OAL:        1.040"
Pistol:      SP-01 Tac
Qty:         8 rounds each, slow fired
Weather:  60F, wet and highly overcast (very even light conditions)
Chrono:    ProChrono Digital



Load      Avg Vel         ES        SD
3.2gr          835            68        21
3.4             901            33        10
3.6             937            45        13
3.8             989            43        11
4.0           1031            20        07

NOTES
• All loads locked the slide back, 14# recoil spring
• TQ-2 target at measured 30 feet (10 yds)
• All shots registered on the chrono
• Max load estimated at 4.1gr (est 1070fps)
• 3.2/3.3gr good for plinking
• 4.0gr good for competition at 127PF
• Exceptional accuracy at every load level

Photos
My high-tech test setup...


Down range view including chrono, measuring tape, and target...


Targets...
The black bull is 2.3" across. These are incredible results for 30ft with iron sights and 72yo eyes.




« Last Edit: January 01, 2023, 10:44:26 AM by Wobbly »
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Re: Load Testing: VihtaVuouri N320 powder
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2023, 07:00:06 PM »
This is an interesting thread!  I'd love to find something like this for N330.  I'll try to work up some N330 data when I get back out to the range in the spring.

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Re: Load Testing: VihtaVuouri N320 powder
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2023, 08:36:30 PM »
This is an interesting thread!  I'd love to find something like this for N330.

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Re: Load Testing: VihtaVuouri N320 powder
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2023, 10:14:47 PM »
I had missed that one. Thanks for the tip!