Load testing: Hodgdon CFE Pistol powder

[copemech]

Thank you both for the reply.

Yes, it seems the Midway site does give that info all in one spot! Nice.

I was surprised by the 1190fps claim on the WWB! This was one that Schmekey often referred to as giving low power issues in the CZ's. I have run it before without issue, though.

That is a 137 PF if correct. The Perfecta would be at 120.

Transformed the gun with proper operation and ejection pattern as compared to dumping brass on my feet. It is not like one is able to run out and buy light recoil springs for a Canik TP9, or a Walther either it seems.

I would need to refer back to ID's recent dissertation about recoil and all that, but in general terms I believe this basic power factor equation relates heavily into simply making your average gun function without modifications, specially our euro imports that are probably built around something closer to Nato spec ammo.

The Win 124 gr is listed at 1140 fps as well, 141 PF!

[1SOW]

Several 9mm Winchester ammo options can be referred to as "WWB".

The WWB 100rd loose 115gr bullets are not a class act,  and most find lightly loaded.
The WWB of 50, each in a styrofoam pocket perform much more reliably and I believe a little hotter.  I shot these before I started reloading.
I guess the Win Nato box of 50 is also 'white',  is a heavier load and the primer is crimped.

Back in the day and  before the loose 100 rd box came out,  the std. WWB of 50 was very reliable and consistent.  THESE were called WWB and also inexpensive.

[copemech]

Several 9mm Winchester ammo options can be referred to as "WWB".

The WWB 100rd loose 115gr bullets are not a class act,  and most find lightly loaded.
The WWB of 50, each in a styrofoam pocket perform much more reliably and I believe a little hotter.  I shot these before I started reloading.
I guess the Win Nato box of 50 is also 'white',  is a heavier load and the primer is crimped.

Back in the day and  before the loose 100 rd box came out,  the std. WWB of 50 was very reliable and consistent.  THESE were called WWB and also inexpensive.

Yes indeed, this was a 100 round loose box. Is there a difference? Who knows. I would like to chrono a few.  I am gonna try some of my PPU and Blazer as well in this gun. I really like it, but it needs to run!

I did see those 124gr Nato  you referred to. They are hot as well. Possibly a +P ?

[Wobbly]

Caliber:  9x19 Luger
Bullets:  Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Brass:  Winchester
Powder:  CFE Pistol
Max Velocity:  1120fps
Primer:  Winchester WSP
OAL:  1.110"
Pistol:  SP-01 Tac
Qty:  10 rounds each, slow fired
Weather:  50F, clear and windy
Chrono:  ProChrono

Load      Avg Vel           SD
4.5gr          970              20
4.7             995              23
4.9           1024              23
5.0           1047              13
5.1           1083              13
5.3           1122              15    Max Load

NOTES
• Metered very well due to small grain size
• Burned remarkably clean, even at 4.5gr
• Attribute the mid-range SD numbers to the powder and not my reloading technique
• Loaded on Dillon 550 using Dillon dies
• Good case fill

[Moken]

Now you have me thinking about trying the CFE in my 9mm. Last year I loaded up Berrys SD HHP 124 with Longshot in 0.2gr steps. I don't remember the exact load, (not at home near my logs) but saw 1140 over the chrony out of my P120. I backed it down to 1100. But now I'm wanting to try the CFE in it and see if it burns cleaner.

Thanks for reviving this thread, Wobbly.

[Wobbly]

Thanks for reviving this thread, Wobbly.

It was a simple decision.

All the previous data was here. All the data belongs together.

 

[IDescribe]

And he only had to change what I can only assume was my beautifully worded thread title, which I do not remember.   


[Only the words Hodgdon and powder were added.]

[aone]

I tested CFE pistol today in my suppressed Sig MPX (8" barrel).  The goal was to find a 124gr load that would reliably lock the bolt back on the last round. The other 9mm powders I've been using function well with very light recoil, but fail to hold open on the last round (n320 and sport pistol).  My theory was that a 'slower' powder would help with this. All loads functioned, including lrbho, suppressed and non-suppressed.


Equipment
Caliber:  9x19 Luger
Bullets:  Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Brass:    FC
Powder:  Hodgdon CFE Pistol
Max Velocity:  1218 fps
Primer:  Federal Small Pistol
OAL:     1.106"
Pistol:    Sig MPX 8"  / Silencerco Octane 45k
Qty:      5 rounds each, medium pace
Weather:  94F, 35% humidity and sunny (texas hot)
Chrono:  Magnetospeed

Load      Avg Vel           SD
4.6gr        1108            15
4.7           1123            14
4.8           1154            10
4.9           1176            10
5.0           1185            7
5.1           1218            8


Notes
• Metered very well due to small grain size.
• POI did not shift among all charge weights at 15yds
• Different recoil impulse vs the sport pistol load tested today (3.9 gr for 1082fps with that load), both feel like a pellet gun.  More 'push' with CFE.

[IDescribe]

I tested CFE pistol today in my suppressed Sig MPX (8" barrel).  The goal was to find a 124gr load that would reliably lock the bolt back on the last round. The other 9mm powders I've been using function well with very light recoil, but fail to hold open on the last round (n320 and sport pistol).  My theory was that a 'slower' powder would help with this. All loads functioned, including lrbho, suppressed and non-suppressed.

Probably could have addressed that issue with a spring.  Or more of a faster powder. 

[aone]

I tested CFE pistol today in my suppressed Sig MPX (8" barrel).  The goal was to find a 124gr load that would reliably lock the bolt back on the last round. The other 9mm powders I've been using function well with very light recoil, but fail to hold open on the last round (n320 and sport pistol).  My theory was that a 'slower' powder would help with this. All loads functioned, including lrbho, suppressed and non-suppressed.

Probably could have addressed that issue with a spring.  Or more of a faster powder. 

I wasn't able to address it with a safe load of the faster powder.  Maybe I just like to overcomplicate things though.

Sig MPX springs aren't exactly tunable unless you want to cut coils. I haven't been able to find aftermarket buffer springs.

[George16]

I tested CFE pistol today in my suppressed Sig MPX (8" barrel).  The goal was to find a 124gr load that would reliably lock the bolt back on the last round. The other 9mm powders I've been using function well with very light recoil, but fail to hold open on the last round (n320 and sport pistol).  My theory was that a 'slower' powder would help with this. All loads functioned, including lrbho, suppressed and non-suppressed.

Probably could have addressed that issue with a spring.  Or more of a faster powder. 

I wasn't able to address it with a safe load of the faster powder.  Maybe I just like to overcomplicate things though.

Sig MPX springs aren't exactly tunable unless you want to cut coils. I haven't been able to find aftermarket buffer springs.

You can buy the reduced power recoil springs from In Lead We Trust.   https://inleadwetrust.com/

I don’t have any problems locking back the bolt on my 8” MPX using my 135 PF using 4 Gr of sport pistol with 124 Gr PD JHP @ 1.125”. This is with the stock recoil spring too.

[aone]

You can buy the reduced power recoil springs from In Lead We Trust.

I don’t have any problems locking back the bolt on my 8” MPX using my 135 PF using 4 Gr of sport pistol with 124 Gr PD JHP @ 1.125”. This is with the stock recoil spring too.

Interesting.  I will definitely look into the ILWT springs.  Thank you for the pointer...

I actually shot nearly the same load today - 124gr PD JHP over 4.0 gr of sport pistol at 1.105 oal.  Shoots nice, but no lrbho for me. 

[George16]

Interesting.  I will definitely look into the ilwt springs.  Thank you for the pointer...

I actually shot nearly the same load today - 124gr pd jhp over 4.0 gr of sport pistol at 1.105 oal.  Shoots nice, but no lrbho for me. 

My 8” MPX has over 12k rounds on it since it’s my primary for USPSA’s PCC division. My backup MPX is the 16” Competition model and uses the same ammo. Both LRBHO.

They’re setup identically.