new to CZ, PCR any good?

[icarry]

did ya ever carry a j-frame and wonder if 5 is enough?  I do.   I haven't seen a poly gun that does anything for me. I don't want to go 1911. my Ruger P89, is about as close to my ideal carry gun as I have got so far. P-89 is kind of a truck(1 ton).  so I'm looking at the CZ site and come across the PCR 9mm and the spec.'s look about right (not to big, not to small, weight is doable, SA/DA, etc.).
anybody carry a PCR? any reviews?   thanks.

[puddintame]

I have one but don't carry it. but its a fine shooting pistol for sure. a regular tack driver at 10yds. 15yds with a little practice. I have the CGW defensive carry package installed which made it even better. my carry pistol is the Rami BD [if my holster ever shows up]

[armoredman]

The PCR is about the perfect CCW pistol to me. It has everything you need and nothing you don't. Grab one. High Noon Holsters makes some excellent rigs for them, too.

[AZ_CZ]

Sounds like you never handled or shot a CZ so I'm going to do you a big favor a tell you the straight up truth about these guns. Leave them alone, forget what you read and never ever pick one up. They are like crack or redheads or garlic curly fries; you love'm but they cost you money, lots of money. I know you think I'm exaggerating but once you shoot one things will change. You'll buy a PCR and it will be a joy to shoot. Soon you're going through ammo like a kid in a candy store. You're groups will shrink and then you'll start thinking about local competition shooting. Say hello to your new SP01. Then you'll want parts and fancy holsters. One day you'll see a deal on a 40P and it will follow you home and it can go next to the Kadet kit. By this time you'll be up to 1,000 posts here and reading all the sub forums. That's when you'll think you need a rifle. The worst part is there is no cure.

FYI my PCR is my favorite CZ.

Good Luck

[icarry]

I have one but don't carry it. but its a fine shooting pistol for sure. a regular tack driver at 10yds. 15yds with a little practice. I have the CGW defensive carry package installed which made it even better. my carry pistol is the Rami BD [if my holster ever shows up]

a Rami huh?  I've been looking at that too.  I "appendix"carry IWB at 1 or 1:30, comfortable and lets me draw fast.  I use remora holsters, they work, simple, not overpriced.   the Rami sure looks like an option. I have to find a range that rents CZ. 

[BriPhil]

if you plan to appendix carry, the RAMI may be more comfortable, as it's shorter and lighter.  They're both double stack, however, so the thickness might be an issue with either.


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[Ross7]

Tomorrow will mark 7 years ago I got my PCR. After a brief get-to-know-you period and the addition of CT grips it has been my usual EDC ever since. One of the best features for me is it's as easy to carry concealed as a smaller pistol but shoots like a full sized one.

Good luck with whatever you decided, and welcome to the forum.

[OldCop876]

I too am a CZ newbie, and have largely the same question for the brain trust here, but with a twist. I bought my first CZ, a 2075 RAMI BD a few months ago, after a lifetime of shooting and carrying daily for 40 years, almost everything else, to include Smith revolvers, 1911's, all manner of plastic pistols, just about anything of quality. I found something I liked about most of the classics at the time. My favorite carry pistols have usually been mid-size compacts. I have a tiny pocket 9mm for those days when shorts and a tee shirt are all we can wear here in sunny Miami, but usually try to pack something with a bit more capacity under a light shirt when I can. My last duty gun when I was a cop was a Glock 19, carried on and off duty and it was fine. I could go with that again, but my little RAMI has sort of caught my attention in a way that Glocks never did.

I purchased my RAMI totally on impulse a few months ago from a dealer friend who bought if for his girlfriend, and put it up for sale when she had trouble racking the slide. (It is hard, but is getting easier) It came with two 10 round magazines, and six factory 14 round mags, and had been fired a total of 40 shots. It has rapidly become one of my favorite pistols, except for the decocker feeling a bit stiff, which the factory says they will attend to for me.

So here is my question. I much, much prefer the feel of the RAMI with the 14 round extended magazines. I find that grip to be just about perfect for me. I can live with the 10 rounders and shoot it well also, but the 14 looks weird, but feels perfect. I've been mulling over picking up a PCR for the more full grip, and I understand that if I remove the sleeves from my 14 round magazines, they are simply PCR magazines, so I would be good to go there. Is this true? If so, at factory new prices that saves a couple hundred bucks just in magazines.

My next question is, does anyone who has handled both think that I would notice much difference between a PCR and the RAMI with a 14 rounder installed? I know there will be a slight difference in sight radius, but I am shooting the RAMI very well right now (I've beat the factory test target at 15 meters by a little bit), and it already has factory night sights that do not come on the PCR I have access to, which is also a decocker version. I'm mostly interested in how differently the PCR might handle than the RAMI, recoil, ease of slide manipulation, grip acquisition on the draw, etc. If it simply equaled the accuracy of the RAMI I'd be tickled pink. I just don't want to drop $500 on a new pistol that essentially duplicates what I already have. I'm also not sure if I got a PCR whether I would keep the RAMI or just sell it to someone who wanted a super clean subcompact. Advice on that point is appreciated.

I do not have access to a PCR to handle locally. Any advice from PCR owners, especially those who have also shot the RAMI, would be greatly appreciated, as well as confirmation about the magazines. Thanks.

[armoredman]

A couple of points, but we'll start with welcome! Thanks for joining us here, sir, and thank you for your law enforcement service.
The RAMI is not the same as the PCR, as the RAMI is actually a compact version of the CZ 40B, which was the company's way of getting rid of excess parts for the failed Colt Z-40 project. Darn shame - it had the slickest DAO trigger I ever felt, but it was huge for the ten round only era of the AWB, and went sliding into the ash heap of history.
Long story short, the triggers are not quite the same. I have fired RAMI's and PCRs and P-01s and CZ Compacts, and I prefer the standard trigger over the RAMI one myself. My wife is the exact opposite, loving her RAMI triggers.
I think you will probably like the PCR better, ergonomics and all, and yes, pop those sleeves off and they are Compact magazines. Any magazines marked CZ Compact 9mm will fit with no issue - stay away from ProMags, junk.
The PCR rocks as a carry gun, in every way.

[OldCop876]

Armoredman, thanks so much. I can see I'm going to have to order up that PCR and try them out side by side To my eye, the PCR certainly has a nicer look than the RAMI with the extended mag, but the RAMI equipped that way really shoots great, which is what attracted me to the idea of a PCR in the first place. I borrowed a friend's full-sized CZ-75B last year, and my only objection to it for carry was its size. If the PCR feels anything like that, I'm going to have to have one.

Thanks also for the tip on the mags. In my mind, life is too short to screw around with aftermarket pistol magazines...except for maybe Mec-Gar and Wilson, lol. But since I have 6 of the 14 rounders, if I buy a PCR that comes with 2 more, I should be all set.

[QBToo]

It might be good to find a PCR so you can see if you like the sights that come on it.  If you do then I'd say you're all set!!!
If you were going to change out the PCR sights then there may be a gap in the ribbing and the new sight which some can live with and some can't (I'm one of the "can't even though it's just aesthetics I suppose).   I actually love the PCR but wanted different sights and so I went with the P-01 even though I have no use for a rail.  It was a give and take situation with me and the P-01 won out.   Guess I could have had the slide milled and Heinie Straight 8 NS put on by CZ custom shop but I just took the plunge and went the CZ Custom shop P-01 SDP route.  And now I'm looking at a CZ Pro Tek II........CZs certainly put me on a SLIPPERY SLOPE so watch out!! 

If you're sold on the PCR the CZ Custom shop offers a Pro Tek I which is a custom PCR that has the slide milled for Heinie Straight 8 NS which I happen to shoot very well with (they previously had 3 dot NS I believe) .  Of course they are a lot of money but.......

I also had a couple of Rami BDs and loved them too but they did feel "thicker" in my hand.  While I shot well with the Rami BD the grip of the PCR/P01, especially with VZ grips or thin Aluminum grips, just fits my hand like a glove.  So I just decided to stick with one basic model type and it ended up being the P01 (I have several and it IS nice that they of course all use the same mags).

Just something to think about 

[cntrydawwwg]

If you liked the full size, you'll really like a compact. I've got a P01 and it's really comfortable. I like the way it feels better than my 75B.
  That being said, my Rami BD is my EDC. I like the way it carries and conceals and shoots. Since you prefer the feel of the 14Rd mag, you may very well prefer a PCR. Just my $.02

[71velle]

I love my PCR!!  But a couple of thinks to consider.  The trigger reach is long in DA you can buy a reach reduction kit if you choose, I will be adding one.  The hammer spring is a little heavy but cheap and easy to replace.  The holster selection is not as good as for a Glock. Lastly, the sights are small.  I will be getting a set of TFX tomorrow, I will update my thread on the sights soon.  So, their are the possible turnoffs.  Everyone that has held mine lovers the feel and the way it shoots.  At the club I belong to I have shot about every common 9mm pistol and their is not one that I like better.    This is a great source for parts and mods http://cajungunworks.com/  I have bought a few things from them and they provide great info and help. 

[CZ-TCP]

My PCR fits nice in the hand, I bent the metal tab at the front of the 14 round mag to fit my pinky. I have a 16 rounder as a spare and with a 31 round count it's easily carried and the thinner top of the slide makes it easy to hide and draw for me. I do have others and it depends on my threat level to what I carry. Enjoy what ever CZ you choose.

[flphotog]

I have the PCR and it's a great pistol but my regular carry is a 75BD of a P-09, I lean toward the larger the better school of thought.