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Offline Gilliand

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CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« on: November 27, 2015, 03:56:18 PM »
I did a detailed comparison with photos of this two models - I'm not sure how to put so many photos here, so I will put plain text here and link my original blog article: http://sofasurvival.blogspot.com/2015/11/cz75-pcr-vs-cz75-p-01.html

I hope the mods won't mind that (or perhaps they can copy photos here and delete the wretched link).


Many people seem to ask about differences between CZ 75 PCR and CZ 75 P-01 (both designated as "CZ 75 D Compact" in Europe, which causes further confusion), but answers usually focus on the accessory rail introduced in P-01 model. Casual observer will see this difference at first glance. After closer examination (s)he will probably notice that P-01 frame is also longer and somehow bulkier, and that they have different trigger shape. But there are way more differences than that - slim profile slide release and decocker on P-01, slightly longer barrel on PCR etc. I couldn't find detailed comparison anywhere (not to mention detailed photos), so I decided to make it myself. I hope you will find it useful.

TOP VIEW:
  • The P-01 is clearly bulkier from that perspective, which will be explained later;
  • PCR has the loaded chamber indicator;
  • P-01 rear sight is mounted with an additional pin.
TRIGGER GUARD AREA:
  • Different trigger shape, more curved on P-01 (PCR trigger is also a little wider);
  • P-01 has bigger mag release button, so it's easier to reach;
  • P-01 frame gets thicker above the grips (see green-marked area), which leads to next two visual differences marked on above photo. It also contributes to increased bulk of the frame.
GRIP AREA:
  • PCR grip seems clearly wider (both grip panels are identical), but I didn't feel the difference;
  • Slightly different beavertail;
  • From factory PCR had plastic grip panels that I've replaced with rubber ones.Despite of better friction of rubber I did like plastic ones better for some reason.
BOTTOM:
  • Different factory mags. P-01 mags really make the difference in a comfort of the grip. The mags are interchangeable, but only P-01 will fit additional +2 mods - PCR grip is a hair too long for that (though you can probably polish it off that much);
  • P-01 has lanyard ring;
  • P-01 magazine well is beveled, so it's a little easier to reload mag.
MANIPULATORS:
  • P-01 decocker and slide release have a slimmer profile, less likely to snag on clothes. Slide release is also a bit longer and easier to reach. However, I find PCR decocker more comfortable to use.
  • Slide release (which is also a disassembly pin) is not interchangeable. I'm not sure about decocker.
SLIDE SERRATIONS:
  • P-01 has different style serration on the rear of the slide. It feels sharper and more aggressive. I suppose it could be easier to use when wet or for someone in tactical gloves, but for me (shooting bare-handed) it's way less comfortable. Actually it's one of two features I really dislike in P-01;
  • P-01 also has front slide serrations.
HAMMER:
  • P-01 has different (supposedly improved) hammer.
DISASSEMBLY PIN:
  • In P-01 disassembly pin is partially hidden, so the risk of pushing it accidentally is minimal. Unfortunately it also means you cannot field strip the P-01 with your bare hands - you need some king of tool to push this pin out, which is kind of PITA. For me PCR was safe enough in this regard - this is the second feature I really dislike in P-01.
TRIGGER GUARD SERRATIONS:
  • Different style, resulting in a little different profile of the trigger guard front.
SLIDE:
  • Notice full-lenght slide rail on P-01. Another differences will be detailed below.
  • P-01 has one notch in front part instead of two in PCR. I have no idea what real difference does it make (I'd be grateful for any comments on that) or what is it's function - I guess it has something to do with locking the barrel in correct position;
  • A little different style of firing pin safety lock.
FIRING PIN:
  • A little different firing pin - in PCR it's back is beveled and flat, in P-01 it's rounded. Not sure if it makes any difference in reliability.
REAR SIGHTS:
  • Very similar, but not identical. Both have yellowish luminescent dots. I believe they're interchangeable.
BARREL:
  • PCR barrel is a tiny bit longer. P-01 barrel has a sticking out piece of metal above feed ramp, which was cut off in PCR - I don't know what possible function could it have (prevent ammo from feeding too high?) or what difference does it make.
RECOIL SPRING AND GUIDE ROD:
  • PCR is equipped by factory with beefy, full metal guide rod and intertwined double wire recoil spring. P-01 has polymer guide rod and flat recoil spring. Even the aftermarket stainless steel guide rods for P-01 are less substantial than factory PCR rod.
FRAME:
  • P-01 frame is bulkier, which makes it a bit heavier but possibly reduces recoil by a tiny bit (though I've never noticed this);
  • One of the main, often overlooked, benefits of the accessory rail is increased durability of this part of the frame. You can notice it could be potential weak spot in PCR construction;
  • Full length dust cover makes Kadet conversion kit a little clumsy fit (Kadet is profiled, so there's a free space left around it's front - it still works correctly, though);
  • On the photos below you can also notice that upper edges of the P-01 frame have different finish. I'm not sure what non-visual difference could it possibly make. 
INTERNALS:
  • Most of the internal parts seem to be identical and fully interchangeable, with the exceptions shown on photos below.
  • Additional notches in P-01, helping to hold springs in proper place.
  • Different style spring.
FINAL THOUGHTS:

I still cannot decide which one I like better. If possible, I'd make a mix as follows: PCR disassembly pin, decocker and slide (with barehand-friendly serrations and loaded chamber indicator) on P-01 frame (but without added thickness on the sides). I'd also put in PCR barrel, guide rod and spring, and P-01 magazines.

This is more individual matter, but I shoot more consistently with PCR. I also like it's trigger pull and working of the slide better.

For concealed carry I'd pick PCR.
For night stand gun I'd pick P-01.

For duty handgun... I can only guess (as I have no such experience at all), but I'd say: PCR for police officer and P-01 for military. I imagine in military the pistol must be able to endure more abuse and P-01 seems to be designed with this in mind. Accessory rail is nice bonus. I guess in law enforcement priorities switch a bit - full metal PCR is sturdy enough, so loaded chamber indicator and simpler maintenance (due to much easier field strip) will come into play.

For BOB I'd take PCR.
For long-time SHTF I'd take P-01.

If it would be my one and only handgun, I'd probably pick PCR.
 

Offline PA_Lefty

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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2015, 04:46:17 PM »
Thorough comparison.   I guess the moral of the story is to get one of each!

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CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2015, 05:01:14 PM »
I have a P-06 and later wished to get a P-01 to go along with it. Couldn't find one at the time so got a PCR. It was fine but wasn't quite special enough for me to keep it when P-01s came back in stock. I sold it and got the P-01.

There isn't much difference I noticed, but for whatever reason I shoot the 01 better. While it isn't sporting a light, I want that option.

I think your biggest choice will be on looks and if you want to carry. PCR is slightly trimmer if the difference counts much. I carry the 01 IWB with an Alien Gear gen3 (whatever the latest is) and with that holster I can carry the thicker 06 and not tell the difference except the draw is a bit tougher.

Either pistol will serve you well. You might be like many of us and get one (or more) of each.  ;^)
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Offline Rhino

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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2015, 05:58:38 PM »
Thorough comparison.   I guess the moral of the story is to get one of each!
I agree.

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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2015, 07:05:01 PM »
Thorough comparison.   I guess the moral of the story is to get one of each!
I agree.

Yes, everyone should own one of each and so their own comparison..... ;)

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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2015, 10:52:53 PM »
Cool detailed write up. 

Though it is strange that your PCR looks a little different than other PCR's I've seen (like the one in the link below).  The PCR's I've seen locally don't have the reduced section at the muzzle end of the slide.  They also have angled forward slide serrations similar to the ones in the back.  Additionally the frame has angled bevels in front of the trigger guard and the grip profile, hammer, decocker, and magazine well is nearly identical to the P-01.  I wonder if it is a variant or older version of the PCR.

Whatever the case, variants are one of the things that make CZ interesting to follow.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MGBQgLX_SQU/T3W3vg43rvI/AAAAAAAALhw/JeCGkk3QcZM/s640/CZ_75_D_COMPACT_PCR.png

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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2015, 11:09:59 PM »
That PCR is different.  It has no ledge cut into the top of the slide for the oddball PCR rear sight.  Never seen one like that before.  From the top, it reminds me more of a compact slide.

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CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2015, 11:20:10 PM »
Great write up.
  Can't remember when, but I've seen the 75D with sights like the OP's( same as P01).
    Like Viking, PCR's have the ledge cut in the slide, but I have also seen pics of a 75D with the same ledge.
   So very strange. Would like to hear more from the OP, what year is your 75D?
   Is it alloy frame like the P01, or steel frame?
 
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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2015, 01:13:13 AM »
That don't look like any PCR I have seen, just a Compact.

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CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2015, 01:30:39 AM »
Here it is. Post #7 shows the picture. Steel frame 75D (Pcr) looks like the OP's. Even has the same beaver tail.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=62783
    Edit...... Nope, I'm wrong. The frame is still a little different at the front. It's still cool to see a little different variation.
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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2015, 06:46:33 AM »
That don't look like any PCR I have seen, just a Compact.
Yea doesn't look like my PCR with the forward slant rear sight. My PCR also has the same sear cage and larger mag release as the P-01 he has pictured. I'd be curious to know the year of manufacture of both pistols he reviewed.This may not be a true apples to apples comparison.
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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2015, 07:23:09 AM »
Great write up.
  Can't remember when, but I've seen the 75D with sights like the OP's( same as P01).
    Like Viking, PCR's have the ledge cut in the slide, but I have also seen pics of a 75D with the same ledge.
   So very strange. Would like to hear more from the OP, what year is your 75D?
   Is it alloy frame like the P01, or steel frame?

PCR in comparison is '98, alloy frame model. It's definitely not the regular steel frame Compact.
P-01 is 2003 production.

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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2015, 10:20:06 AM »
Nice demonstration of the differences. When I went with the P-01 not long ago, it was mostly because there was one available locally and I didn't have a PCR to look at in person. Being new to CZ, I'm curious if they make "slight" changes each model year? Perhaps that could account for some of the slight variations?
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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2015, 12:16:39 PM »
Good comparison. Pics made it easy to understand for me.
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Re: CZ 75 PCR / CZ 75 P-01 comparison
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2015, 03:06:17 PM »
Great write up.
  Can't remember when, but I've seen the 75D with sights like the OP's( same as P01).
    Like Viking, PCR's have the ledge cut in the slide, but I have also seen pics of a 75D with the same ledge.
   So very strange. Would like to hear more from the OP, what year is your 75D?
   Is it alloy frame like the P01, or steel frame?

PCR in comparison is '98, alloy frame model. It's definitely not the regular steel frame Compact.
P-01 is 2003 production.

A more accurate comparison would be to review 2 pistols of very recent production since that is what most people will be encountering on the gun store shelves. There have been changes and updates over the years.