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Offline LonChaney

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P07 recoil springs
« on: January 28, 2016, 06:57:01 PM »
I've got the CGW metal guide rod in my P07. I want to play around me with some recoil springs below 15lbs. Any idea which springs will be compatible?  I'm not finding any P07 springs listed below 15lb.

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 07:08:04 PM »
You might call Cajun Gun Works and see what they have. I really don't recall seeing any P-07 springs that low though. Why do you want a spring that light?

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 09:03:10 PM »
If you search this sub forum you'll find some who have used 75 RS which go as low as 11lb. Personally 15lb is good enough for me. Light enough for press checks and strong enough to not throw my brass across the shooting bay.

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 10:02:59 PM »
You might call Cajun Gun Works and see what they have. I really don't recall seeing any P-07 springs that low though. Why do you want a spring that light?

I'm running an rmr on my P07 and the lighter spring helps with tracking the dot. I have a 13lb RS in my 229/rmr and the dot tracks really nice. Hoping to recreate that with the P07. I'll look at the 75 springs.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 10:38:56 PM »
The 75 series recoil springs can be used in the P-09, not the P-07.  You will experience coil bind if you use full size 75 series springs.  Not sure about the compact springs.  I urge you to bench test any 75 series compact springs before you actually fire a round. 


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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 11:49:57 PM »
The 75 series recoil springs can be used in the P-09, not the P-07.  You will experience coil bind if you use full size 75 series springs.  Not sure about the compact springs.  I urge you to bench test any 75 series compact springs before you actually fire a round.

Roger that. Thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2016, 12:08:32 AM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2016, 05:14:02 PM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.
I did exactly that.  I installed the 15# and after a couple of weeks, cut off about 1/2". 
It works great now and no more problems feeding lighter ammo (Perfecta).

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2016, 07:37:38 PM »
Glock 19/23 springs work on the p07. I bought a bunch off ebay in different weights for my glock and used some in the p07 as well. Worked fine with no problems. About $7 a spring. I think the brand was ISMI or something like that NDZ also has some.
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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2016, 10:58:42 PM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.
I did exactly that.  I installed the 15# and after a couple of weeks, cut off about 1/2". 
It works great now and no more problems feeding lighter ammo (Perfecta).

Yep, I like the perfecta but it is light!

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 12:40:00 AM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.
I did exactly that.  I installed the 15# and after a couple of weeks, cut off about 1/2". 
It works great now and no more problems feeding lighter ammo (Perfecta).

Yep, I like the perfecta but it is light!
Yes it is but for the cost, it's not too bad.
When I shoot American Eagle, it just eats it up since it seems to have a little more pop. 
I'm real pleased with both of my P-series guns now. 
The only thing I may do with P-07 now is add the extended firing pin.

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2016, 12:40:08 AM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.
I did exactly that.  I installed the 15# and after a couple of weeks, cut off about 1/2". 
It works great now and no more problems feeding lighter ammo (Perfecta).

Yep, I like the perfecta but it is light!
Yes it is but for the cost, it's not too bad.
When I shoot American Eagle, it just eats it up since it seems to have a little more pop. 
I'm real pleased with both of my P-series guns now. 
The only thing I may do with P-07 now is add the extended firing pin.


Couple of notes after todays outing.

Since my range has been flooded for a couple of months, today was first day back and I had several things to test and a lot of handloads to chrono.  I ran a few Perfecta today, and this box was really good at over 1100 fps!!! Not sure whats up with that!

And after trimming the front polymer cover to eliminate drag on the slide, both the P07 and 09 ran like a top, even with the Perfecta! And this is the first time they really have a nice ejection pattern at about 5-6 ft with full powered ammo, with the Perfecta being a bit less.

For those that missed the pic, my slides would literally hang under their own weight vertically in the poly when disassembled.  O0

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 09:07:44 PM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.
I did exactly that.  I installed the 15# and after a couple of weeks, cut off about 1/2". 
It works great now and no more problems feeding lighter ammo (Perfecta).

Yep, I like the perfecta but it is light!
Yes it is but for the cost, it's not too bad.
When I shoot American Eagle, it just eats it up since it seems to have a little more pop. 
I'm real pleased with both of my P-series guns now. 
The only thing I may do with P-07 now is add the extended firing pin.


Couple of notes after todays outing.

Since my range has been flooded for a couple of months, today was first day back and I had several things to test and a lot of handloads to chrono.  I ran a few Perfecta today, and this box was really good at over 1100 fps!!! Not sure whats up with that!

And after trimming the front polymer cover to eliminate drag on the slide, both the P07 and 09 ran like a top, even with the Perfecta! And this is the first time they really have a nice ejection pattern at about 5-6 ft with full powered ammo, with the Perfecta being a bit less.

For those that missed the pic, my slides would literally hang under their own weight vertically in the poly when disassembled.  O0
Cope,
I'm not sure what you mean here about trimming the front polymer cover??
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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2016, 01:10:38 AM »
What if you cut down the #15 flat spring? I would have never don that before, as due to the drag of the slide on the poly dust cover was too much to assure proper RTB, but after a bit of trim, it works so well that may be possible.

Not my bag, though, as full powered ammo needs the spring.
I did exactly that.  I installed the 15# and after a couple of weeks, cut off about 1/2". 
It works great now and no more problems feeding lighter ammo (Perfecta).

Yep, I like the perfecta but it is light!
Yes it is but for the cost, it's not too bad.
When I shoot American Eagle, it just eats it up since it seems to have a little more pop. 
I'm real pleased with both of my P-series guns now. 
The only thing I may do with P-07 now is add the extended firing pin.


Couple of notes after todays outing.

Since my range has been flooded for a couple of months, today was first day back and I had several things to test and a lot of handloads to chrono.  I ran a few Perfecta today, and this box was really good at over 1100 fps!!! Not sure whats up with that!

And after trimming the front polymer cover to eliminate drag on the slide, both the P07 and 09 ran like a top, even with the Perfecta! And this is the first time they really have a nice ejection pattern at about 5-6 ft with full powered ammo, with the Perfecta being a bit less.

For those that missed the pic, my slides would literally hang under their own weight vertically in the poly when disassembled.  O0
Cope,
I'm not sure what you mean here about trimming the front polymer cover??
Winkel

Tis inside of the front part of the plastic that does nothing but cover the lower front of the slide! AND drag on it as it is pinched in the plastic causing excessive drag upon it! The slide really only works in the metal guides that hold it, the friction of the front plastic does nothing but keep the slide from rattling, but severely drags. At least mine did on both. Same effect as riding the slide with your thumb!

Think I had to take out 20 or 30 thousandths of plastic out of there for things to stop squeezing the slide.

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Re: P07 recoil springs
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2016, 01:22:58 AM »
These things were built for real ammo! See quote below. Chances are, you ain't running dat!

Now that?s a fun topic right there ? as in, what?s the difference between ammo that?s loaded to 9mm NATO pressures and ammo that?s loaded to 9mm Luger pressures?  First off, you have to establish that there is a difference, because there are people out there who will fight and argue that NATO spec ammo is exactly the same as commercial 9mm Luger.  It?s not, trust me.  Aside from the obvious difference in bullet weight (9mm NATO is 124 grain, most commercial plinking 9mm ammo is 115 grain) rounds that are loaded to NATO spec are loaded to a higher pressure than rounds loaded to industry standard.

The ammo industry uses something called SAAMI Standards to establish the pressures that ammo should be loaded to.  The SAAMI pressure for 9mm Luger ammo is around 35,000 PSI, and C.I.P (think European SAAMI) rates 9mm Luger ammo at 34,080 PSI.  According to documentation, the 9mm NATO rounds are pressured at 36,500 PSI (again according to CIP).  That means that when compared to standard 9mm ammo, the 9mm NATO ammo is running a higher pressure, analogous to a 9mm +P load, which SAAMI rates around 36,000 PSI.

So what does this mean for you?  Well, a lot of people recommend treating 9mm NATO rounds the same way you?d treat a 9mm Luger +P, which is to say understand that it?s loaded to a higher pressure than your garden variety 9mm Luger ammo.  For the casual shooter, this means a couple of things: don?t put 9mm NATO ammo in older guns.  Only use it in modern, robust guns in good condition.  Remember that 9mm NATO is the standard service cartridge for something like half the planet, which means that it?s in use in wide variety of pistols, including the following:
?Beretta M9
?CZ-75
?Browning Hi-Power
?Glock 17 and 19
?All manner of Sigs
?HK

The short answer is that an occasional diet of 9mm NATO isn?t going to hurt your gun, provided it?s a well made modern gun.  I certainly would not put 9mm NATO ammo into a Hi-Point, because I don?t want to eat the slide and I don?t trust a blowback operated gun with a zinc slide to stay together.  But if you?re running a Springfield Armory 1911 in 9mm, or a well made pistol from a well made manufacturer you should be fine.

However, what you should be aware of is that a steady diet of 9mm NATO ammo, or 9mm +P ammo is going to increase the wear and tear on your heater.  If you?re just going to the range every now and then, it?s not going to affect you very much.  However, if you?re shooting 500-1000 rounds a month, you will end up seeing internal wear quicker than you would with standard pressure ammunition. But if you find a good deal on a bunch of 9mm NATO ammo, and you?re worried about running it in your Glock 17, you should be fine.*