Project poor mans open P09

[dave33]

Dang Thompson those loads sound a bit "spicy" to me, did you do any kind of accuracy testing with them.  I would be curious how they do in that regard.  I have loaded up some coated lead for testing hopefully tomorrow but no where near what you are doing unless I made a mistake reloading.

In other developments, project ghetto grip enhancer, aka "shugru treatment" is underway with pretty good results I think, complete with pre-hardening stipple treatment with a phillips head screwdriver.  Just applied it last night so haven't had a chance to put a real squeeze on it but it feels pretty good.  Just did one side for now, will probably add a thinner layer on the other side later if this side holds up.

 

[Joe L]

The Sugru treatment looks good.  I may add some to my JB-Weld job this weekend.  I would have add some to the top of your grip panel to keep my trigger finger knuckle from riding that ridge you created, I think.  Phillips head screwdriver looks like a good Sugru stipple tool.

Joe

[eyetat]

Can't. Find any thing about sugru on Google i could use to thicken up the sides as it is almost hard to pull the trigger all the way back.big hands are to blame.
FOUND IT how much did you use for the one side I should say how maney packs.

[dave33]

Can't. Find any thing about sugru on Google i could use to thicken up the sides as it is almost hard to pull the trigger all the way back.big hands are to blame.
FOUND IT how much did you use for the one side I should say how maney packs.

The one side is 3 individual packets. Three packets come in one package.

It has hardened up nicely and feels good in the hand. Plan to shoot a little tomorrow so will see how it does. I'm thinking I need to extend the one side back a little further and then run a thinner and smaller section on the rearward half of the other side. But as of now if I don't do anything else it is definitely better.

[eyetat]

Dave33 thanks for the up date I have a three pack on its way.

[BABore]

Is that a Burris mount adapter attaching the FF3 to the gun. I looked on the Burris site and they didn't have anything listed for CZ. Happen to know which model it is?

Thanks

[Joe L]

Is that a Burris mount adapter attaching the FF3 to the gun. I looked on the Burris site and they didn't have anything listed for CZ. Happen to know which model it is?

Thanks

In my case, it is a Springer Precision mount.  Works great on a 97 and a standard 75 and the P-09/P-07. 
Joe

[dave33]

Is that a Burris mount adapter attaching the FF3 to the gun. I looked on the Burris site and they didn't have anything listed for CZ. Happen to know which model it is?

Thanks

In my case, it is a Springer Precision mount.  Works great on a 97 and a standard 75 and the P-09/P-07. 
Joe

I'm using the same Springer Precision mount. The comp is from Springer Precision also.

[milq]

Can't. Find any thing about sugru on Google i could use to thicken up the sides as it is almost hard to pull the trigger all the way back.big hands are to blame.
FOUND IT how much did you use for the one side I should say how maney packs.

The one side is 3 individual packets. Three packets come in one package.

It has hardened up nicely and feels good in the hand. Plan to shoot a little tomorrow so will see how it does. I'm thinking I need to extend the one side back a little further and then run a thinner and smaller section on the rearward half of the other side. But as of now if I don't do anything else it is definitely better.

I stumbled onto something else you might use to provide a palm swell. TractionGrips has a limited run of pigskin grip material that's roughly 3 times as thick as their normal rubber stuff. Might be worth a shot to get some and cut-n-stack to see if you can make a swell. They also have some other leathers, but the pigskin has a good feel.

[madhatter1013]

Thats a fine looking shooter Brazeau!  My next goal, after load development, is to come up with a good "race" holster.  Right now Im using the same safariland generic holster I was before, as it fits decently and its open at the bottom so the comp doesnt matter.  Ive spoken to a local holster maker that is willing to talk about customizing something for me.  If that doesnt pan out you may see another thread about a poor mans open gun holster project.

That's exactly what mine is... a poor man's race holster! I used a BOSS hanger mount as part of the molding process.

That holster is pretty awesome looking. Great work !. This thread is killing my wallet. Ordered the RDS mount and the Comp the other week. Been busy with work and haven't had the chance to install the mount. The comp didn't index perfectly when I put it on my barrel. The guys at Springer Precision told me to loc-tite it into position. Though I feel that might cause some issues when it's time to clean.

[armoredman]

Gents, I HAVE to step in here and advise ALL readers to NOT duplicate the loads discussed here, data is for academic purposes only - Western Powders recommends a MAX load of 8.0 grains of AA#7 for a 95 grain bullet, and the highest recommended load for any plated bullet for the same powder is 8.2 for a 115 grain Berrys plated bullet.

I'm not sure you can even fit enough aa#7 in a case to cause issues depending on how fine of a powder it is but with a 100gr bullet I believe you can work yup to about 11gr's

This is known as pushing the envelope a WEE bit far - highest load recommended by Western for AA#7 for ANYTHING is that plated 8.2grain load.
Incidentally, the cast/powdercoated bullet does cut way down on leading, something I have discovered over the short years. The Lee 124gr cast bullet works quite well for me, but I never load it over 6.8 grains AA#7 for a max velocity of 1100 FPS, but I'm not trying to make a max power factor load. That's what 9x21 is for.
Back to the guns/set ups - SWEET! Those look great and I can't wait to hear how well they work for you in actual competition!

[dave33]

Looks like project poor mans open P09 is coming to its end and Im very satisfied with the results.  I have added some more Sugru to the palm swell areas and have just about gotten the exact grip I was hoping for.  For anyone wondering apparently sugru will stick to itself as well as it will stick to anything else.  Here is where I have filled in some on the original sugru treatment:



And here is the other side where I beefed up my weak hand palm swell a little:



I may go back and sand down that side just a little but plan on shooting it a fair amount first.  I purposely put plenty on that side so I could customize the fit if needed.  I will be curious how grippy this stuff is in the summer with sweaty hands, might eventually need to glue some gritty stuff to it.

For those with keen eyes you may have noticed the CGW race hammer I have installed, that along with the short reset kit.  The sloppy, mushy single action break has been replaced with a pretty nice crisp one, however I dont notice the reset being much shorter.  No biggie as the break was what I was wanting improvement on anyway.

As for loads I have settled on going with two different ones for now depending on the game Im shooting.  For NRA Action Pistol I will be going with 5.45gr of Autocomp under a 124 Precision Delta JHP.  Averages right at 150 PF, out of the P09 is pretty soft, and pushes enough gas through the comp to keep muzzle flip pretty tame.  It groups about an inch at 25yds and is pretty good at 50yds too though Im going to tinker around with it some to try and tighten that up a little:



For steel challenge Im going to most likely stick with the 9gr AA#7 under a 100gr RMR RN or a 100gr Xtreme FP.  This load holds just over an inch at 25yds, but is not quite as good at 50yds, but with steel challenge absolute accuracy isnt all that important.  I really enjoy messing around with different loads, powders, and projectiles so while Im going with these loads for now Im not going to stop working on stuff.

The only area that I need to work on is a better race type holster.  Im able to use a generic safariland holster for now but its not ideal.  There is a local guy that can possibly make something if I can ever get our schedules to sync.  Everything else Ive looked at is more form fitting and with the taper of the P09 slide wont accommodate the comp.  If anyone has any ideas for now Im all ears.

 

 

[Jamiethesquid]

Now I just need to create a better safety and add a Major PF Comp

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[dave33]

Now I just need to create a better safety and add a Major PF Comp

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How is the mount working with the FF3?  Does it hold zero well?  Also thanks for dredging up this old thread, much has changed in how I'm shooting my P-09 as I now shoot it exclusively in open USPSA and with major 9 loads.  I should probably start a new thread with a long term review, have over a year of major 9 experience now.

[Jamiethesquid]

Now I just need to create a better safety and add a Major PF Comp

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How is the mount working with the FF3?  Does it hold zero well?  Also thanks for dredging up this old thread, much has changed in how I'm shooting my P-09 as I now shoot it exclusively in open USPSA and with major 9 loads.  I should probably start a new thread with a long term review, have over a year of major 9 experience now.

The mount is working great so far, it raises the red dot .490" above where it was milled into the slide. The FF3 has been awesome, hasn't missed a beat in 3 years. Please do post an update on your experience shooting 9 Major in the P-09. What comp are you running and which load have you found works best.

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