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Offline Robert Louis

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New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« on: February 26, 2016, 09:19:03 PM »
I shot 400 rounds of ammunition through my new CZ 83 7.65 mm pistol that I purchased from GunBroker two weeks ago and I wanted to share with you some of my reactions.

The pistol was:
incredibly accurate
resistant to limp wristing
great aesthetics
high-capacity
reliable
solid

New CZ magazines very difficult to load loosened up by the third or fourth loading

Used my Butler Creek 9 mm MagLulu UpLulu speed loader but it was a big difficult because of the narrow top of metal on the CZ magazines. I shot 200 rounds of GECO 73 grain FM J and 200 rounds of Fiochhi 73 grain FMJ. Since I had to put the metal depressor on the Mag loader just below the bullet on top of the casing it caused some of my rounds to became lopsided with the back of the round sticking too far up. I simply taped the magazine and the round straightened out and did not cause any malfunctions while shooting.

The 7.65mm puts much bigger holes in the target than expected.  Although many may dismiss this caliber for self-defense, I am encouraged by it.

The pistol is incredibly accurate especially for someone who does not have a lot of muscle strength to hold the pistol steady before shooting and to continue holding it steady from the effects of the recoil. I was easily able to hit bull?s-eyes at 15 and 25 feet repeatedly which I usually do not do with most handguns.

The only negatives of the pistol for me is because of my arthritis is that it is a little hard to rack but I was able to properly rack it and the recoil. I have read on many posts and in the American rifleman by Chuck Hawks that the recoil on the CZ 83 and 7.65 mm was negligible.  In fact in the American rifleman article it talks about this gun being recommended for handicapped individuals and the elderly. Unfortunately I can still feel too much recoil in my hands for my arthritis and I do know that continued shooting will only aggravate my condition.

Thus, what I have is another carry gun that I can shoot in a self-defense or emergency situation but not one that I can also use regularly at the range. Unfortunately I wanted one that I could shoot at the range regularly and for as long I wanted to shoot it. It is however, a compact pistol and I do not have any semiautomatics that are compact. I already have 3  9 mm pistols, full-size, and one 357 Magnum (using 38 special) that are carry guns but ones that I no longer use at the range because my arthritis. I was hoping that the CZ 83 was going to fit my needs allow me to shoot it as often as I wanted to do so.

I was considering the CZ 83 versus a Rock Island Armory, 22 TCM (5.7 x 26 mm). It is a 40 ounce 1911, full-size that is extremely easy to rack and who everyone has shot it, states it has practically no recoil due to the weight and size of the gun and it being a locked breech.  I hesitated on this pistol because Rock Island Armory is known to have some reliability issues.

Often when I mention this pistol people usually suggest why not the FN 5-7 which is in 5.7 x 28 mm and very reliable. The problem with the FN pistol is that it is a blowback design with an internal hammer and thus, hard to rack.  In addition, it only has about 25 to 30% less recoil than a 9 mm pistol. I shot it multiple times and still find the recoil to be uncomfortable.
Well I will probably shoot my CZ 83 again and then get a holster for EDC. 

Anyway the CZ 83, 7.65 mm is a great gun.   8) 8) 8)
« Last Edit: February 26, 2016, 09:51:42 PM by Robert Louis »
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Offline Scarlett Pistol

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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 09:28:36 PM »
I wondered who snagged that one on gun broker. Congratulations! Thanks for posting the report. If they still made that pistol I would own one already, so it's fun to hear about it. Sorry about your arthritis, and I hope you find a pistol in your quest for a painless shooter.
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2016, 09:38:46 PM »
The CZ83 in 7.65 Browning is much more pleasant to fire that the .380 ACP version.

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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2016, 11:31:14 PM »
I am a fan of 7.65mm (32 Auto) as a self defense round, especially for someone with arthritis in the hands.  Use good ammo (Buffalo Bore, or Core Bon), and it will serve you well.  Any caliber, the primary mechanism of incapacitation is shot placement.  A 32 through the heart of a maladroit Goblin or two legged homicidal Troll, will work very well, indeed.  Congrats.

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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 07:27:43 AM »
I wondered who snagged that one on gun broker. Congratulations! Thanks for posting the report. If they still made that pistol I would own one already, so it's fun to hear about it. Sorry about your arthritis, and I hope you find a pistol in your quest for a painless shooter.

Thanks for the consideration about my arthritis and yes it is a quest to find a pistol  that works for me but I am very happy to add the CZ 83 in 7.65 Browning to my collection.  As far as I know it is the only high-capacity pistol in this caliber that was ever made.  There may have been others but I have been able to find out any information on them.  Happy shooting.
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 09:21:15 AM »
The Beretta Cheetah series is also similar to the CZ 83 with .380 and 7.65mm calibers available. The Beretta 81 is also 7.65mm and holds 12 rounds in the mag. I find the Beretta 85 stainless which is the all steel version in a single stack .380 to be softer than shooting the equivalent CZ 83 in .380. However, racking the slide (even with hammer cocked) on the Beretta is a chore due to a combination of the recoil spring and the slide/frame design. It is as slick looking design but there seems to be too little area to grasp and your hand bumps up against the frame controls when you use the over-the-top method. The Beretta 86 has a tip-up barrel but is hard to find now. Best of luck on your quest for the right combination.

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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 10:06:27 AM »
Robert, you might consider reloading ammo for yourself. It is common for guys to reload with "soft" charges of powder to reduce recoil. This might allow you to shoot as much as you like, then carry factory loads for defense.

My 380 CZ83 cycles very well with soft loads, and allows me to be back on target faster than ever.

I load it with Underwood Extreme Defense (or Penetrator) for carry and do not feel under gunned.

If you don't or won't reload, find a friend who does that you can trust to work with you and develop a load that your 83 likes that treats your wrists well.

I've often thought of getting an 83 in 7.65, but reloading 380 is small for my fat fingers so that has dissuaded me from going smaller.

Rubbing your wrists in magnesium oil may help, but Google around before trying. It's great stuff for many ailments as our farm soils are so severely depleted, so we are too.
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2016, 10:46:09 AM »
Robert, you might consider reloading ammo for yourself. It is common for guys to reload with "soft" charges of powder to reduce recoil. This might allow you to shoot as much as you like, then carry factory loads for defense.

My 380 CZ83 cycles very well with soft loads, and allows me to be back on target faster than ever.

I load it with Underwood Extreme Defense (or Penetrator) for carry and do not feel under gunned.

If you don't or won't reload, find a friend who does that you can trust to work with you and develop a load that your 83 likes that treats your wrists well.

I've often thought of getting an 83 in 7.65, but reloading 380 is small for my fat fingers so that has dissuaded me from going smaller.

Rubbing your wrists in magnesium oil may help, but Google around before trying. It's great stuff for many ailments as our farm soils are so severely depleted, so we are too.

Thanks for the reply and suggestion Zardoz CZ.  I truly love the firearm it is so accurate, reliable, and compact.  I will have to look into this issue but in the interim are there any am soft loads like I know for 9 mm a Winchester white box for the 7.65 mm that would work and cycle well with a CZ 83 for practice?  Thank you.
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 11:14:04 PM »
None that I've heard of.

I think I've seen ads from Hornady for light loads for recoil sensitive shooters, but uncertain who it was, or what caliber they offer it in. Might be one avenue to investigate.

I've gone pretty light with the 380 83, and not had ANY problems of any kind. Well, running out of ammo too quickly is the biggest problem, I love to shoot it! So I reload and that lets me enjoy it more. I keep the mags loaded with Underwood Extreme Penetrators for it while it's pulling home defense or carry now and then, but have found Berry's 100gr hollow base round noses to be very accurate, for my skill level anyway while plinking.

Just a heads up, as we approach the election, the mood may shift and ammo and loading supplies may fly off the shelves again, so get while the getting is good if you have the opportunity. I'm no hoarder, but like to keep a bit ahead of my use so will buy when the opportunity presents itself. It's true what they say, you likely won't save money reloading, but will enjoy more shooting for the $$$ because of it. I know my equipment has paid for itself already.

Question, would wrist supports help manage the discomfort better? My wife had some for carpal tunnel relief, and the design looked like it might spread the recoil energy over a wider area than just the wrist bones.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2016, 03:21:37 PM by ZardozCZ »
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2016, 04:01:19 PM »
LAX Ammo has Fiocchi .380 and .32 ACP for $119 a case of 500 (a little better for 1,000).  Their shipping is very cheap. 
7.65mm/.32 ACP
https://www.laxammo.com/handgun/32-acp-ammo/fiocchi-32-auto-73-gr-fmj-50-rds-1-detail

.380 ACP
https://www.laxammo.com/handgun/380-auto-ammo/fiocchi-380-auto-95-gr-fmj-brass-case-50-rds-380ap-1-detail


I ordered 500 rounds of the Fiocchi .380 last week.  I have two .380 pistols (CZ83 and Bersa FireStorm) and only had about 400 rounds of assorted hollow point and about 500 rounds of Aguila and S&B FMJ

I have shot lots of Fiocchi in .380 when I had the earlier CZ83, and lots of 9mm in my Glock and other 9s I have hade.  Very good ammo.
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2016, 04:50:59 PM »
I went and shot my CZ 83 7.65 mm Browning again today and perform flawlessly.  I shot 100 rounds of Fiochhi 73 grainAnd 200 rounds of GECO 73 grain.  The magazines are now easier to load Mag and I am starting to get used to using the Butler CreekLulu UpLulu 9 mm speed loader although it is a little difficult still.  I am waiting for a more specific speed loader for this caliber in magazine that I ordered from the CZ store on this forum.  I tried shooting the pistol for over 100 rounds only using one hand and at times intentionally limp wristing  and it would not jam.  It seems very good for small compact pistol being anti-limp wrist. 
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2016, 11:15:25 AM »
Great picture and the wooden grips look very very nice.  I wish my wrist allowed me to shoot the pistol in 9 mm Browning but even the 7.65 mm Browning cartridges bother my wrist.
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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2016, 11:47:53 AM »
WOW!  I love it with the wood grips.  I may have to get a set of the factory ones.  I had a Thailand set, and they split in the first week.

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Re: New CZ 83 7.65 mm Range Report
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2016, 10:56:13 AM »
Thanks, it is a bit snappy but manageable for me.  I just always wanted one of these guns.  It was a must have.....

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