Should I? P-09 w/RDS

[Nimdabew]

I want to do something similar to this, but slightly different. I was thinking a Deltapoint Pro, but I haven't seen them on too many pistols, mainly because they are fairly big. A RMR would be ok, but the Deltapoint is my main want. I would have the slide milled down so the dot would be as low as possible for the gun.



Now, the really big question: where can I find a front sight that would be in the window of either the Deltapoint PRO or the RMR? There would be no rear sight at all. Knowing what I know when I shoot my rifles with a red dot, I need that front sight for some reason when bringing up the rifle. I assume I would be faster by seeing that front sight in the pistol window as well so I can index it properly to the right point again. Would a 7.5mm front sight be tall enough, or are there 9.5mm front sights out there right now?

ETA: Here is a pic of exactly what I want. I might even throw on the rear sight for gigles, but probably not. I will have the slide milled for it if I need it at a later time though.

[Joe L]

What are you going to use the gun for? 

Reason I ask is that I only have experience with a red dot in bullseye and I don't need the cowitness.  I also don't use a red dot on a defensive gun, so I am not worried about turning it on, etc. 

I have been very happy with the Springer Precision mount and a Burris Fast Fire III 3moa for bullseye, but would not try use it for run and gun or defense.  Milled slide is a little cleaner, but I have nearly 10k rounds through a dovetail mount Burris set up on a P-09 with no problems at all.   I use the same setup on a CZ-97 and, as of this week, on a 75B 9mm slide. 

Joe

[M1A4ME]

That P09 was scary accurate before the red dot.  But it was not my every day carry.  My P07 .40 S&W is scary accurate and it is my every day carry gun.

I wanted to test out the RMR set up prior to messing with my P07.  After that first range trip, I know my P07 is next.

I'll have it set up the same way.  Back up iron sights and an RMR.  Things go wrong, sometimes.  The red dot is the dual illuminated model (fiber optic lights the dots if there's enough light, if not the tritium lights the dot) so there isn't much to go wrong with it, unless it gets damaged somehow.  Maybe anything that damages the red dot would also damage the iron sights but maybe it wouldn't. 

It makes me feel better to have back up.  I carry more than one magazine.  I carry more than one knife.  On the road I have more than one pistol, more than one rifle.  Never needed any of them.  Hope I never do.

I ran across some guys at the gun show today who say they can make me a holster to fit that big sucker, light and all.  Combination kydex and leather.  I'll try the kit I bought first.

So far I've never really been interested in competition shooting.  Folks I ran with thought I was a pretty darn good shot, but it was always for fun, or meat/food.  I don't think competition would be as much fun, for me.

[Raining_Brass]

The pic of the P-09 you posted is as deep as you can mill them due to the firing pin block. About .060". We've done P-09'S and 07's for DP Pro's. The front sight on the pic you posted is tall enough to be seen in the DP PRO window. Those are Dawson Precision sights we provided when we milled the slide.

[Nimdabew]

I actually don't know what the gun will be used for. It will get outclassed in open, limited doesn't let in RDS IIRC... I guess I could use it in that new IDPA optic class and stomp some Glack MOS guys...

As far as the cowitnessing, it won't be cowitnessing. It is just the front sight so when I am indexing, I have a second frame of reference instead of the hood and the clear window so I won't have to hunt for the dot as much. I have done many drills with my rifle RDS with the front up and down; I am faster with the front sight up. I hope this translates over to the pistol as well.

As far as the dot turning on and off, the Deltapoint turns itself on and off when the pistol is moved. The LED RMR is just "on" and has like a 6 month battery life or something close to that. Since I have never owned a RDS pistol, I figure why not just go the full nine yards and do it right the first time.

[M1A4ME]

If you go the Delta Point route I think Optics Planet has the rear sights on sale right now (maybe it's a sale).  Pick it up now in case you want it later.  Might be full price later.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/leupold-deltapoint-pro-rear-iron-sight.html

[Bossgobbler]

If you want to mount the RDS as low as you can go, you need a CZ85 Combat, or a CZ SP01 Shadow. You can shoot them in USPSA Carry Optic Division. I have both see photos.

 

 

[Raining_Brass]

Just curious, but why did whoever milled the slides leave no material behind the optics?

[Bossgobbler]

For the SP01, that is the way I wanted it so that the cover would fit over the sight.   On the CZ85 it was to remove weight to make the old Carry Optic weight limit. It came in at 34.7oz with mag. 3 weeks later they changed the weight limit. Also the Delta Point Pro you can install rear sight that would not fit if the material was left.  Both are milled 0.250 deep.

[Raining_Brass]

For the SP01, that is the way I wanted it so that the cover would fit over the sight.   On the CZ85 it was to remove weight to make the old Carry Optic weight limit. It came in at 34.7oz with mag. 3 weeks later they changed the weight limit. Also the Delta Point Pro you can install rear sight that would not fit if the material was left.  Both are milled 0.250 deep.

Ah, ok. When we mill for DP Pros we just mill a step behind the optic for the rear sight to sit on. Leaving nothing is too low and leaves the rear sight sort of "floating" and looks weird. IMO anyway.

[Nimdabew]

Hmmmm, the SP-01 wouldn't require me to buy a new gun and it would be "better." Plus the wife can't get upset because I bought a new gun, just modified one that I have owned for years... I like that SP-01 with the DP Pro. Can you post a pic of what the sight looks like when viewing through the window?

[M1A4ME]

Same for the P01?  Can it be milled as deep as the 85 and SPO1?

I've bought a couple of the rear sights for the backs of the Delta Points - just in case.

[Winkel]

Still slightly on topic, I just backordered an SP-01 Tactical with the threaded barrel and taller suppressor ready sights.

Will it be possible in the future to mill the slide for an optic but maintain the factory installed sights?

[Raining_Brass]

Still slightly on topic, I just backordered an SP-01 Tactical with the threaded barrel and taller suppressor ready sights.

Will it be possible in the future to mill the slide for an optic but maintain the factory installed sights?

No. You could have a Glock dovetail milled in front the optic. That's your only option if you have to have irons.

[Winkel]

I assume that's the setup on M1A4ME's P-09 slide??

I could live with that.