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Offline Midsmalls

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P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« on: March 19, 2016, 11:22:30 PM »
Hey guys, question about CGW Pro package and IDPA. I have shot several thousand rounds through my P-09 and have really enjoyed every second of trigger time. I am now considering a Pro Package upgrade from CGW. I am going to be using my P-09 for IDPA this summer and am wondering what part(s) of the Pro Package I would be unable to use. I believe I have read the Hammer cannot be changed, if that is the case, will any improvement be given in SA? Thank you all for your help!

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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2016, 02:09:07 AM »
I have no idea about their rules, but a short reset kit with an extended pin and lighter hammer spring will help your SA.

The stock hammer CAN be worked a bit to reduce creep as well.

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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2016, 07:24:03 AM »
For SSP you need to keep the factory hammer, but it can be modified if the modifications are not visible.  For ESP you can use the CGW hammer.  I believe this is right.  I've rarely shot in SSP, since all of mine are modified, I shoot ESP when I go to IDPA matches (rarely since shooting bullseye). 
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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2016, 10:19:40 AM »
Perfect thank you guys! Joe I love your videos, I don't yet have the confidence in myself to install these parts but your videos are amazing!

I read the rules just as you did Joe, I haven't thought much about just shooting in ESP rather than SSP. Maybe I will just do that as I really would love the full pro package.

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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2016, 10:49:05 AM »
Perfect thank you guys! Joe I love your videos, I don't yet have the confidence in myself to install these parts but your videos are amazing!

I read the rules just as you did Joe, I haven't thought much about just shooting in ESP rather than SSP. Maybe I will just do that as I really would love the full pro package.

The RRK is not legal in IDPA because the preset screw is visible. However, I do not believe the RRK is part of the Pro package on the PO7 and PO9. The full length dust cover does not come into play because it is polymer so you should not have to be SSP compliant and still have to shoot ESP like the SP01.
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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2016, 11:50:29 AM »
We have tried, with limited success, to modify the stock hammer.  Occasionally one will work fine, then several won't, it's pistol specific due to the tolerance stacking. 

Like all CZ's, you can get into timing issues and a wonky DA if you correct the timing to match the recut hammer hooks. 

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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2016, 12:16:46 PM »
For SSP you need to keep the factory hammer, but it can be modified if the modifications are not visible.  For ESP you can use the CGW hammer.  I believe this is right.  I've rarely shot in SSP, since all of mine are modified, I shoot ESP when I go to IDPA matches (rarely since shooting bullseye). 
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Agreed. I plan to shoot ESP with my cajunized P-09. The benefits of the Pro Package and related durability of the components result in a greater lifetime round count and an excellent pistol. For IDPA, I'm shooting against my own times, so it makes no difference whether I'm shooting ESP, SSP, or CCP (using my P-01). It's still fun and competitive with a good shooting pistol!
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P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2016, 04:48:37 PM »
For ESP you must keep the P09 SSP legal.  No external mods.  CZC sells a comp hammer, the rest of the go fast parts from CGW should play nice with it. 


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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2016, 05:38:58 PM »
For SSP you need to keep the factory hammer, but it can be modified if the modifications are not visible.  For ESP you can use the CGW hammer.  I believe this is right.  I've rarely shot in SSP, since all of mine are modified, I shoot ESP when I go to IDPA matches (rarely since shooting bullseye). 
Joe
Agreed. I plan to shoot ESP with my cajunized P-09. The benefits of the Pro Package and related durability of the components result in a greater lifetime round count and an excellent pistol. For IDPA, I'm shooting against my own times, so it makes no difference whether I'm shooting ESP, SSP, or CCP (using my P-01). It's still fun and competitive with a good shooting pistol!

You make a great point about shooting against yourself! That's a much needed reminder. And I really do struggle with the creep, so that would be a huge advantage regardless of what class I shoot. Not to mention durability, I sort of forgot to keep that as part of the equation. Very helpful sir thank you!

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Re: P-09 Cajun Pro Question
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2016, 08:02:42 PM »

For SSP you need to keep the factory hammer, but it can be modified if the modifications are not visible.  For ESP you can use the CGW hammer.  I believe this is right.  I've rarely shot in SSP, since all of mine are modified, I shoot ESP when I go to IDPA matches (rarely since shooting bullseye). 
Joe
Agreed. I plan to shoot ESP with my cajunized P-09. The benefits of the Pro Package and related durability of the components result in a greater lifetime round count and an excellent pistol. For IDPA, I'm shooting against my own times, so it makes no difference whether I'm shooting ESP, SSP, or CCP (using my P-01). It's still fun and competitive with a good shooting pistol!

You make a great point about shooting against yourself! That's a much needed reminder. And I really do struggle with the creep, so that would be a huge advantage regardless of what class I shoot. Not to mention durability, I sort of forgot to keep that as part of the equation. Very helpful sir thank you!

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