Drill Bit for Welded Trigger Pack - Pay it Forward

[Gritz]

This thing is driving me nuts. I STILL haven't been able to drill through to the point of breaking the weld. Has anybody else had this problem? I probably have 20 minutes of actual drill to weld time at this point. I thinking the bit may be too dull, but having never used a carbide bit to drill a hardened weld I don't know.

You are using the exact bit I used before SNO. I took a bit of time, but no more than 5 minutes of drilling. It is possible that the bit is nearing the end of its peak cutting time. I did have to apply a bit more straight downward pressure than it suggested, but it seemed fine. Once you get a nice dimple in the weld, you can try to break it free with some needle nose pliers around the head of the screw because the bolt may strip as it is pretty soft. I did replace my screw with one from Lowes.

[Warpspasm]

This thing is driving me nuts. I STILL haven't been able to drill through to the point of breaking the weld. Has anybody else had this problem? I probably have 20 minutes of actual drill to weld time at this point. I thinking the bit may be too dull, but having never used a carbide bit to drill a hardened weld I don't know.

You are using the exact bit I used before SNO. I took a bit of time, but no more than 5 minutes of drilling. It is possible that the bit is nearing the end of its peak cutting time. I did have to apply a bit more straight downward pressure than it suggested, but it seemed fine. Once you get a nice dimple in the weld, you can try to break it free with some needle nose pliers around the head of the screw because the bolt may strip as it is pretty soft. I did replace my screw with one from Lowes.

I've come to the conclusion that this bit is completely spent. I just spent another 10 minutes drilling and it's not even cutting anymore. I have a really big dimple now, but it still won't break loose. Crap. I'm willing to pass this bit along, but I think it will only be a frustration to the next user as well. Maybe HB will chime in here. I sent them a message on their site.

[boomer1]

It sounds from the latest posts that the bits, (one or both) are now worn out. Please take my name off the mailing list. I suppose that I will likely attempt using the older method(s) described in the HB Industries videos.

IMO, this entire welded trigger box nonsense foisted on we mere consumers of CZ-USA products is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. The customer (dis)service group at CZ-USA should be aware that the best (or worst) advertising is by word-of-mouth. This is my first CZ product purchased, though it is not my first firearm purchase. I have been treated much better by other firearms companies. This company behavior will certainly be a factor in my next firearm purchase or brand recommendation.

[Warpspasm]

It sounds from the latest posts that the bits, (one or both) are now worn out. Please take my name off the mailing list. I suppose that I will likely attempt using the older method(s) described in the HB Industries videos.

What is the older method?

[HBi]

First off; 11 pages in and things seem to be still flowing well, hats off to everyone in this forum for being courteous, organized, and professional in using and transferring these drills around. In viewing the last couple pages... here is what the list looks like right now:

BucketShop
Warpspasm
Boomer1
Pointcover

We can't comment on the condition of the drill bits that are circulating, we obviously have not seen any of them during the last 5 months. There are members on other forums/facebook using "pay it forward" campaigns, and in many cases one user will drill out several trigger packs in one sitting. So it is difficult for us to know the number of welds drilled or how the tooling was used each time. However, if the drills are removing material from the welds, then they are functioning correctly. The amount of pressure and speed at which material is removed will of course be operator dependent. If our bits are not removing material at all or just spinning and making heat, then we need to get them replaced.

Warpspasm - If you could please email us at sales@hbindustires.net with your contact info we will send you a fresh bit to try. Over the last few months we have seen Scorpions (particularly the carbines) coming in with MUCH more secure welds. This means they are being welded hotter, deeper, and with more filler material than we saw earlier in the year. So, center punching is now a must, and yes drilling down to the sheetmetal trigger housing is required in many cases (be careful, measure three times drill once).

[boomer1]

It sounds from the latest posts that the bits, (one or both) are now worn out. Please take my name off the mailing list. I suppose that I will likely attempt using the older method(s) described in the HB Industries videos.

What is the older method?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W96Yz39Fz5c

I think that the drill method looks like a cleaner method of removal. IMO

[Warpspasm]

Warpspasm - If you could please email us at sales@hbindustires.net with your contact info we will send you a fresh bit to try. Over the last few months we have seen Scorpions (particularly the carbines) coming in with MUCH more secure welds. This means they are being welded hotter, deeper, and with more filler material than we saw earlier in the year. So, center punching is now a must, and yes drilling down to the sheetmetal trigger housing is required in many cases (be careful, measure three times drill once).

FANTASTIC customer service.

I ordered a spring pack, screw pack and trigger from you guys on Friday night (EST), so there's a chance you haven't shipped that yet and can put the bit in with those items.

My carbine is obviously one of the ones that has the tougher, deeper weld. It looks like the center of the drilled hole might be down to the sheet metal now, or at least very close. But, the bit has stopped removing material and only the very tip of the bit got that far. It looks the only thing happening now is the deepest part is getting polished. 

[boomer1]

Warpspasm - If you could please email us at sales@hbindustires.net with your contact info we will send you a fresh bit to try. Over the last few months we have seen Scorpions (particularly the carbines) coming in with MUCH more secure welds. This means they are being welded hotter, deeper, and with more filler material than we saw earlier in the year. So, center punching is now a must, and yes drilling down to the sheetmetal trigger housing is required in many cases (be careful, measure three times drill once).

FANTASTIC customer service.

I ordered a spring pack, screw pack and trigger from you guys on Friday night (EST), so there's a chance you haven't shipped that yet and can put the bit in with those items.

My carbine is obviously one of the ones that has the tougher, deeper weld. It looks like the center of the drilled hole might be down to the sheet metal now, or at least very close. But, the bit has stopped removing material and only the very tip of the bit got that far. It looks the only thing happening now is the deepest part is getting polished.

Agree, HB does have great customer service.  It seems that we are thinking along similar lines. I was also going to pick up a new drill bit. However, as of Sunday night, HB is out of stock.

[Warpspasm]

When I get the new bit from HBi and finish my job, who is next in line for the bit?

[Gritz]

When I get the new bit from HBi and finish my job, who is next in line for the bit?

From the list that HBi compiled, boomer1 is next in line.

[Warpspasm]

Boomer1, if you still want it please PM me your address and I'll get it out to you was soon as I get it and have a chance to drill mine out.

[boomer1]

Boomer1, if you still want it please PM me your address and I'll get it out to you was soon as I get it and have a chance to drill mine out.

Thanks Warpspasm, a buddy of mine with a Dremel, and some diamond bits, stopped by and we made short work of that weld. Please scratch me off of the list.

Thanks, and good luck with your weld removal.

[RoosterCogburn]

I'd like to be added to the list. Thanks.

[RedRallyeZ]

Pointcover
RoosterCogburn
RedRallyeZ

I'm brand new here, but Id like to be added to the list.  Check ls1tech for my name for trader feedback and comments if you need them

[Warpspasm]

Well the new carbide bit from HB Industries arrived today and my suspicions were correct. The old bit was plum wore out. The new bit finished what was left of the job in about 10 seconds max.  I will be sending the bit to Pointcover this weekend, so the next in line after him should be getting a PM from him not too long after that. Let's keep this thing moving. Thanks HBi.