For those people who want longer trigger reach on their P series handguns...

[Joe L]

Ergonomically, the one characteristic that has always been a problem for me on the P series guns is the short trigger reach in single action mode.  One reason for this is that the travel is so much longer in double action mode that, if they moved the trigger forward very much, the double action reach would be too much. 

For those of us with long fingers who shoot single action, there is a relatively simple, albeit crude solution.  One can add some epoxy to the front of the trigger and increase the reach a 1/4" or so.  Then one can add some JB-Weld or Sugru to the frame just below the beavertail.  With these changes, one can increase the reach to the trigger by 3/8" or so without getting too wild.  This worked great for me on my P-09 several years ago, and I just made the same changes to my new P-07 this week. 

The trigger surface needs to be flat across the trigger with slightly chamfered edges.  I made a tape dam or form and filled it with epoxy with the gun nearly vertical, at an angle that would result in a flat trigger surface perpindicular to the bore axis at the sear contact rotation.  Here is an after the fact photo showing how the tape can be put on the trigger.  (I had already finished this one and trimmed it, but you get the idea. 



Here is what the gun looks like, with the hammer cocked but without the slack taken up.  This feels perfect at the sear contact point with the trigger "prepped".



Here is the approximate vertical orientation for the gun while the epoxy is setting. 



Here is an early morning, low light, not quite sharp photo of the trigger surface, ready for a range session later today or tomorrow.



As you can see from the full pistol photos, I like to ovalize the frame grip and add a little grip tape.  This is all for a one-time attempt at a local bullseye match this weekend.  I have won these matches with the P-09 and CZ-97B"E", I think shooting one with the 3.8" carry gun will be a hoot. 

Now if I can just figure out a way to limit the pretravel...I'd convert to single action only and put the safety back in and remove the decocker.  Wait a minute, this is a defensive gun!  Nevermind.

Joe

[Joe L]

I shot the P-07 today as pictured above (removed the white tape), and it worked great, for me, and my long fingers. 

Best slow fire target (50 yards, standing, single hand) today, in the wind was a 90-1x,  I shot two 96 score timed fire targets, but struggled with rapid fire with a best of 95 but had two 90/91 targets. 

As expected, accuracy is excellent at 25 and 50 yards.  It IS more difficult to get it back on target during rapid fire (25 yards, standing, single hand, 5 shots in 10 seconds twice) sequences than a larger, heavier pistol, especially in a crosswind.  This is where the shorter barrel/slide and polymer frame hurts a little compared to full size gun, especially compared to a Tactical Sport or 97.  But I can live with that. 

Joe

[Tok36]

Rules? Joe has no rules. 

Interesting stuff.

[Olddirtybooger]

I am still waiting on a more elegant mechanical solution. But, I might have to try this until something better comes along.

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[Joe L]

I am still waiting on a more elegant mechanical solution.

Something more elegant than your screen name?   

Yep, won't take much to come up with something that looks better and is more permanent, the prerequisite is converting to single action only first so the pretravel can be minimized. 

Joe

[Joe L]

I got a chance to shoot the gun as shown above, less the white tape, today.  The modifications worked very well.  Not pretty, but functional.  Targets in "Day at the Range" section.

Joe

[Olddirtybooger]

Haha, I'll never tell the story behind the screen name.

I have seen many of your posts, and looked inside my P09 many times.

 I just keep thinking maybe a new trigger with the hole for the trigger bar farther back, or a longer trigger bar would be nice.

I would be happy if the entire trigger action was farther forward. Even with the large back strap...

I definitely want to keep the da/sa. This is my "everything" gun. I want to keep it simple.

Do the cgw parts change the location of the break at all?

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[Joe L]

Do the cgw parts change the location of the break at all?

I don't think so.  But, if anything, it moves the break even further to the rear.  I put an overtravel screw in my P-09 trigger and then realized I didn't even need it, the frame polymer served the same purpose. 

I prefer the DA/SA for a house/defense/carry gun, too.  I started out with SIG's, so am very comfortable with that design.  Only for a match gun would I like to have SAO, just like my Kadet.

Joe

[Tok36]

Do the cgw parts change the location of the break at all?

I don't think so.  But, if anything, it moves the break even further to the rear.  I put an overtravel screw in my P-09 trigger and then realized I didn't even need it, the frame polymer served the same purpose. 

I prefer the DA/SA for a house/defense/carry gun, too.  I started out with SIG's, so am very comfortable with that design.  Only for a match gun would I like to have SAO, just like my Kadet.

Joe

Same here, after the CGW parts the break seamed to move back a bit if anything. Mine also bottoms out on the frame rite after the SA break, this is nice.

[eyetat]

I am with you guys I a mailed David at Cajun and he told me to put all the stock parts back in. 

[FakeCZName]

Before you take all the CGW parts out, why not try to add some 'length of pull' by building up the backstrap on the grip?

[eyetat]

I have a trigger with a STOP screw the at I took out maybe I can heat and rebend to get it more forward what do you guys think.