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Offline MeatAxe

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Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« on: June 19, 2016, 05:32:56 PM »
First, let me say that I love Frog Lube paste or liquid lube and have been using it the past year or so with great success in AKs, a P-01 and a P938 -- no problems in those guns whatsoever. I like the fact that it's totally non-toxic, that it stays where it's applied and that the rust prevention properties are second to none as far as gun CLP products. Plus the minty scent and, if I get hungry, I can eat it (believe it's made largely of coconut oil).

However, I did run into a problem with it in the Rami, which may have been my misapplication or over application of it (possibly didn't wipe all the residue off after applying with a heat gun and letting it cure). In a nutshell, it seems to gum up the works on a Rami. Previously, I had been using Tetra teflon gun lube in the Rami with no problems, except that it eventually drips out of the pistol and is does not protect against rust all that well.

A few days after the first application of Frog Lube, I chambered a round and noticed that the slide seemed to move in slow motion: instead of snapping back with authority, it lazily moved back into battery, but did manage to chamber a round. My theory is that the cured, waxy Frog Lube gummed up the complex, pneumatic-like recoil spring, and possibly the rails as well. No matter how many times I worked the slide, had the same effect of moving in slow motion.

As an experiment, I took it out to the range and fired one full 14 round mag in that condition: it did fire, accurately, without a hitch or a jam, except that it only dropped the spent shells about 6 inches to the side! So, obviously, the Frog Lube was gumming up the works.

I took the Rami back home and disassembled it, hitting it with a heat gun and wiping of all excess Frog Lube from the frame, slide, barrel and recoil springs until those parts were totally "dry"  (as per Frog Lube's instructions). Upon reassembly, when racked, the slide snapped back into battery with authority as usual.

Took the Rami back out to the range, thinking the problem was solved. Took the first shot from single-action: CLICK - failure to fire. At that point, I pulled the trigger double action and it fired. Howver out of that magazine, I had four or five failures to fire from single-action, that were immediately fired with a double action pull (which is another reason why I prefer a DA/SA trigger for a carry gun as opposed to SA or striker fired).

So, my theory is that the Frog Lube gummed up the firing pin / spring and firing pin channel as well as the complex Rami recoil spring. I'm thinking that Frog Lube may be fine on surfaces like slide rails, but it can gum up the works if used on any part that is completely covered by it in tight quarters after it cures: the Rami recoil spring, firing pins, etc.

Maybe Frog Lube needs to come up with a lighter lube for those parts, or maybe it can be diluted for use in those types of parts and still be compatible with the usual Frog Lube application to rails and other surface applications.

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 06:50:31 PM »
I used to use it. still have a bunch. but I stopped when I realized that if you clean your pistol and store it for a few weeks, like your rami, my P01 wasn't going into battery the next time I shot it. I just use outers gun oil now. never an issue with rust or anything else.

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 07:12:31 PM »
Need to be careful with especially the paste. Had it gum up the firing pin block/lifter action on the RAMI. Now, just easy does it with the liquid version.

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 07:30:11 PM »
This stuff is clearly for lubing frogs guys. I have no idea why people keep putting in their firearms. Ya see, frogs do not need to go into battery, they do not have FPB lifter springs inside their little frog bodies too gum up.   ;D
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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 07:42:15 PM »
How did you remove the Tetra before applying the frog lube?

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 07:52:24 PM »
To use Frog Lube or not to use it is one of those never ending debates like ..."is a 380 auto good for self defense", or "if allowed both,  do you open carry or conceal carry"?  Ask 100 people ...50 will say one thing 48 will say another...2 will say I do not care!!!
I have used FL for years...never had any problems except in NY in the winter at an outdoor range and waiting for 20 minutes or so for the first coupe shots.  It did seem to gun up then.........at 15 degrees I was pretty gummed up also.   I like it, but can not tell someone they should use it because it is the greatest gun lube of all time.  To each their own.
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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 09:50:06 PM »
Never ever put lube of any kind on the firing pin or spring!

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2016, 10:18:02 PM »
Never ever put lube of any kind on the firing pin or spring!


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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2016, 12:30:20 AM »
Never ever put lube of any kind on the firing pin or spring!

I removed and examined the firing pin and spring (for the first time) and cleaned out the firing pin channel with a pipe cleaner.

It appeared that Frog Lube mixed with residual cosmoline gunked up the firing pin channel to some extent -- though I had never purposely lubed the firing pin, I assume that Frog Lube worked itself in there, probably when the slide was heated during application of the Frog Lube. It's possible that the combination of Frog Lube and packing grease made things worse than Frog Lube by itself.

In retrospect, it's probably a good idea to remove and clean the firing pin / channel of residual packing grease on any new CZ pistol, since CZs seem to come out of the box from the factory swimming is cosmoline.

Like I say, I've used Frog Lube on a P-01 and a Sig P938 without problems, in fact, I put 400 - 500 rounds through the P938 after one Frog Lube application/cleaning with zero malfunctions. It was actually amazing that the P938 remained lubed and clean during that period -- it appears that the Frog Lube does indeed repel dirt and powder residue, as they claim.

I'm thinking that Frog Lube is probably OK if applied to flat surfaces or rails (applied to heated surfaces so the lube "seasons" into the metal, but wiped dry of any residue after it cools). However, it seems to be trouble inside a piston / plunger-type mechanism, such as the Rami recoil spring assembly or inside the firing pin channel, where the lube becomes viscous enough that it acts like an oil-filled shock absorber rather than simply gliding between open surfaces.
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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2016, 12:36:26 AM »
How did you remove the Tetra before applying the frog lube?

I followed the Frog Lube instructions and swabbed the slide, barrel, frame and recoil spring liberally with rubbing alcohol (but did not disassemble or clean the firing pin / channel).

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2016, 06:16:34 PM »
I would not use Frog Lube in any CZ pistol.

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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2016, 11:38:46 PM »
I would not use Frog Lube in any CZ pistol.
    Curious to hear what you've come across to make this decision Schmeky.
   I don't use the stuff myself, so I'm just curious[emoji6]
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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2016, 03:26:02 AM »
^^ We want pics ^^. :D  CD i think it is because this stuff is made from frogs. Frogs are related to gators. The CGW mascot is a gator...........
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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2016, 05:09:38 AM »
I would not use Frog Lube in any CZ pistol.


OK, what would you recommend using in CZ pistols, to clean, lube and prevent rust?

And why, in particular, would you not use Frog Lube in CZ pistols?

It seems to work fine in 1911 type pistols - as long as it's kept out of the firing pin channel and any piston / plunger mechanism.
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Re: Caution using Frog Lube in the Rami...
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2016, 05:12:37 AM »
^^ We want pics ^^. :D  CD i think it is because this stuff is made from frogs. Frogs are related to gators. The CGW mascot is a gator...........

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