Why no love for CZ?

[armoredman]

I'm thinking that means the guns used as the tip of the spear...though that WOULD be funny to see someone run a course with an actual spear gun...

[s0nspark]

I'm thinking that means the guns used as the tip of the spear...though that WOULD be funny to see someone run a course with an actual spear gun...

I took it to be an autocorrect of spare. The competitive spear gun mental image really gave me quite the laugh

[SPO1SHADOW]

Anyone remember the parts gun re-do I did for a friend at work back at the first of the year? Every spring broken, every pin worn so bad they fell out of the gun? I put about $150.00 worth of new and used parts back in it, did a blue job and it just clicked off another 5000 rounds. What more could you ask for and it is still on the original slide stop.

[bang bang]

> if you are a competitor, i would have 1 or 2 spear GUNS.

Did the IDPA rules change??? :-D

i dont compete.  I was just using some common sense.

If they dont allow "spare" guns. then I'm sure they would know.

[bull]

I read on the innerwebs cz's used steel from recycled american tent poles and the aluminum bits are from recycled stag beer cans....must be true cause it was on the innerwebs...heck i dont care for every model cz has to offer but the darn things just work..i do have a cz boonie hat for whatever reason so i must be a fanboi...darn nice hat though.....cz is a very, very good tool....only 2 things i will not own is ruger and smith and wesson...no forgivness for what they did to us in 1994..none

[Joe L]

45k rounds on one 75B frame and Kadet slide and 12k on a 9mm P-09.  Pieces of crap.   

Joe

[SPO1SHADOW]

Just plain junk!

[montigre]

Thanks, Guys and Girls-- You put my mind at ease--While I was not taking what was said on the other site as gospel, I am enough of a noob to not have personal knowledge of the overall long-term reliability of CZ guns and very much appreciate your input. 

I obviously like what I do know of them in my short time as an owner as I have 3; the 2 mentioned in my original post and a 452 Ultra Deluxe I picked up when I heard they were discontinuing that line. They are the first type of gun that just seemed to "fit" as soon as I picked them up and the overall mechanical fit and finish is much more than I'd have expected at their price point.

Again, thanks!!

[Tok36]

My CZ has fallen and it cannot get up! 

[s0nspark]

My CZ has fallen and it cannot get up! 

That's ok - it may have just gone to ground




Charlie Zulu Papa dash ought seven

[tdogg]

If they are so unreliable and prone to failure how did the P-01 get a NATO stock number?

http://cz-usa.com/press-release/cz-p-01-gets-nato-approval-the-next-generation-of-perfect-pistols/

All the 75 variants run essentially the same internals.  Sure there are different frames, springs, barrels, grips, etc... but they all share the same design.  This design has been combat tested, competition tested, self defense tested and just plain run through it's paces more so now than ever.  Sure things do fail and there is bound to be a lemon that comes off the manufacturing floor every once in a while, but every manufacturing outfit has to deal with this.  There is no such thing as 100% yields (trust me I know I work in the medical device manufacturing industry).  Sure they could add more QC to the process to mitigate that risk but then it would translate to increasing the cost of the item and I for one don't want to see the cost of CZ's increasing!  It's how the company deals with the lemon that separates themselves from the pack.  CZ-USA has shown they are willing to make it right with few exceptions.

Every failure (a handful over thousands of rounds) I've experienced with my CZ's was my fault, either reloading issues or my own "gunsmithing" related learning.  Do I have spare parts, you bet I do.  I shoot competition and don't want a simple failure to end my day at the range.  If I was really committed I would have a spare gun on hand.

Go shoot them and find out if they are unreliable for yourself.  Keep detailed records so you know exactly how many rounds to failure.  I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised.

Oh and I don't always carry, but when I do... I prefer CZ.  Stay thirsty my friends.

Cheers,
Toby

[MOnmoguns]

You will always have this . Ford vs Chevy , Had both and all worked as needed ,  Glock vs 1911 , had both and well ... 1911 in my book . American AK vs overseas made , I have 2 made here and between my 2 brothers 3 more and they are all flawless shooters . Are Sigs worth the money ? Mine are . Is CZ as good as some others out there ? I think so . And I'm thinking that on this forum all will agree . I know that the ones  I have are better than I am . On a Glock forum, Sig forum , S&W forum , you might get a different opinion .

[Indy_Tim]

CZs are good to go.  There's a reason that they are the most used service pistol in the world today.  I have a soft spot for surplus CZs.  After they've lead a hard life in service of whatever country bought them, I'm more than happy to refresh the springs, add some CGW goodies and refinish them.  I also own and like Glocks, but have zero interest in old service Glocks.  There's no soul to revive in an old Glock. 

[s0nspark]

There's no soul to begin with in a Glock.

Fixed that for ya ;-) They are adequate tools but so are hammers - who collects hammers??

[johnnymohani]

Issues make it not worth getting?

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