Did you have a Magazine cracking - Post Magazine date

[majulook]

We can figure out the date range of bad magazines:

1. Post the date code from you magazine if it cracked.
2. Was the magazine full, empty, or partially loaded.

[Greankrayon]

Why is this important to know? If a mag cracks no matter what year it's made they will replace it for free. Even if you managed to crack a mag that was made yesterday they would replace it. No need to milk a dead cow people.

[Dirty J]

I would presume he's trying to gauge if a limited QC issue from the molding or polymer blend used during a certain time frame. A common thing to do when trying to sort out root cause.

[majulook]

I would presume he's trying to gauge of a limited QC issue from the molding or polymer blend used during a certain time frame. A common thing to do when trying to sort out root cause.

That is the goal.

[armoredman]

There has been no change in the materials used in making of Scorpion magazines.

[Dirty J]

There has been no change in the materials used in making of Scorpion magazines.

CZ stating there has been no change to the polymer wouldn't necessarily rule out a production or supplier issue. That just means their internal "standard" hasn't changed. Doesn't mean that something casued them not to meet that standard.

For what it's worth.. the 3 mags I've already had replaced were all Jan '15 stamped. One of my original 20's and 2x 30's.

[MHOP987]

I would presume he's trying to gauge of a limited QC issue from the molding or polymer blend used during a certain time frame. A common thing to do when trying to sort out root cause.

That is the goal.

What then?  Do you know the supplier of polymer?  Do you have CZ contacts?

[Probullydog]

Perhaps to inform those that have mags from the affected date range that there might be an issue so they can keep a closer eye on them? Some people might just load them up and not check them often...

[majulook]

Trying to determine if this is a sporadic issue, a specific date range or if the magazine failure is epidemic.

If the failures are such that all magazines will fail then the Scorpion EVO S1 platform is IMHO a failure as a major part (magazines) are not reliable.

I really do not understand the lack of concern about this issue. This is possbly a major flaw in the platform.

I know they will replace damaged magazines but swaping them out igoig to become a pain, and if the availability of the magazines becomes scarice then what you wait for how long to get replacemens?

[Greankrayon]

From what I understand the magazines were never designer to be used for long periods of time because it's a combat weapon. We basically just need a redesign of the mag.

[Bill_J]

From what I understand the magazines were never designer to be used for long periods of time because it's a combat weapon. We basically just need a redesign of the mag.

The Military does treat magazines different that most civilians.  Magazines are wear item.

As cheap as CZ mags are compared to say MP5 mags ($50-$80 for real ones) Ill take 10 CZ mags keeping 5 in shooting rotation and 5 in reserve for the cost of 2 MP5 mags.

[Dirty J]

I would presume he's trying to gauge of a limited QC issue from the molding or polymer blend used during a certain time frame. A common thing to do when trying to sort out root cause.

That is the goal.

What then?  Do you know the supplier of polymer?  Do you have CZ contacts?

That's not really relevant. With enough data points... one could easily determine if there's a pattern or not.

While you couldn't discern from a supplier or production problem, you could nail it down to a specific time frame.

[majulook]

Yes that was the plan try ot determine a pattern of failure.

So far based on what I have found on this forum and other places. The jury is still out on how much of a issues it is.

A contact I have at CZ-USA told me "The magazine failures is not that big of a problem and are approximately less than .01% of the hundred of thousands of these magazines out in the world.  They will replace magazines as they fail IF you contact them, AND they have magazines available.  They also believe it is a very small amount of people reporting this issue on line, and those reporting failure report it on several different forums. Which makes the issue seem much bigger than it is"

Now this is all good, but I wonder how accurate what they claim the failure rate is.  If you have 10 magazines an 1 fails you may not even think to contact them.  Military units may not ever report failures as magazines are more likely to be damaged by military use, then in civilian use.

I had high hopes of getting some usable data based on the users of this forum, but that does not appear to be happening...

So it is possibly CZ is correct and the magazine failure rate is very low. or maybe they are down play the issue. I do not know.

It appears to me based on responses to this thread that the this may not actually be a issue. If I am wrong on this do not blame me, I tried to get data on this it just seems that not much is actually available, or possibly no one really cares. 

[Tenbones]

Yes that was the plan try ot determine a pattern of failure.

So far based on what I have found on this forum and other places. The jury is still out on how much of a issues it is.

A contact I have at CZ-USA told me "The magazine failures is not that big of a problem and are approximately less than .01% of the hundred of thousands of these magazines out in the world.  They will replace magazines as they fail IF you contact them, AND they have magazines available.  They also believe it is a very small amount of people reporting this issue on line, and those reporting failure report it on several different forums. Which makes the issue seem much bigger than it is"

Now this is all good, but I wonder how accurate what they claim the failure rate is.  If you have 10 magazines an 1 fails you may not even think to contact them.  Military units may not ever report failures as magazines are more likely to be damaged by military use, then in civilian use.

I had high hopes of getting some usable data based on the users of this forum, but that does not appear to be happening...
 
So it is possibly CZ is correct and the magazine failure rate is very low. or maybe they are down play the issue. I do not know.

It appears to me based on responses to this thread that the this may not actually be a issue. If I am wrong on this do not blame me, I tried to get data on this it just seems that not much is actually available, or possibly no one really cares.

This has pretty much been my feelings on this whole thing.  I, for one, appreciate the attempt you made to try and quantify the problem, but like you said, this is probably not a serious enough issue to worry about.

[Garmanarnar]

20rd mags, used and constantly kept loaded since I opened the box: 04 / 2015

30rd mags, same: 06 / 2015

No cracks. No failures.