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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 02:54:30 AM »
IMR SR4756 is the best powder I have found for performance loads in 9mm without going to a specialty powder like Nobel-Vectan SP-3 or SP-8.  It will deliver performance similar to the Speer 124gr GDHP +P factory load with loads assembled with equivalent components.

6.2 gr. IMR SR 4756
124 gr. Gold Dot HP
Speer case
CCI SP primer
OAL 1.10"
LEE FCD
Nominal velocity = 1,150-1,200 fps.

If your chamber will support it, go for a longer OAL.  1.13" would be ideal, depending on the pistol. 

Starting load should be closer to 5.6 gr. IMR SR4756.

This load is pretty standard with a 115 FMJ.  With that bullet, it is approaching the +P threshold.  With the 124 gr. bullet, it is probably in excess of SAAMI standard, but well within +P safety margins.  Due to the load density and burn rate of IMR SR 4756, you would have to work hard to create a high pressure situation.  (In other words, some of the powder does not ignite under slight compression, assuming a standard SP primer.)   

An important consideration here is that the secondary characteristics are similar to the actual Speer Gold Dot 124gr. +P factory loads: recoil impulse, flash, etc. 

I've worked up loads with about every other comparable powder available, but this is the clear winner for me.  Despite its characteristics, I have never gotten the same results with Alliant Power Pistol.  It has low flash and a steady pressure curve, but I don't get the same accuracy, even after working with Power Pistol for about 15 years.   

Alliant Unique will get the job done, but it has some issues in performance 9mm due to its formulation: high chamber temperatures, soot, and higher peak pressures.  That said, I use a lot of Unique, due to its shotgun applications. 

WIN-231 is terrible for 9mm.  People like it because it meters well.  No factory defense load is using anything close to this in terms of burn rate and load density. 
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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 03:00:42 AM »
6.8 grains of HS-6 will deliver 1180 fps or better and would be my choice.  Very Low Muzzle Flash, too!
Note that this loading is at Maximum!

5.8 grains of Alliant Unique will also work, but has more Muzzle Flash.
Note that this loading is at Maximum!

5.0 grains of Alliant Green Dot will deliver 1160 fps or so, with low Muzzle Flash.
Note that this loading is at Maximum!

As always, start low and work up to these recommended loads.

I agree.  5.8 gr. Alliant Unique is an effective max load with a 124 gr. bullet.  The case will only hold about 6.0 gr. under normal conditions.  I have loaded Unique heavier than 5.8 gr. with military style 115 FMJ, but I wouldn't recommend it.  The diminishing returns are pretty clear. 
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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 03:09:57 AM »
Alliant Blue Dot and Herco are also options.  However, they do not meter well, and they have some other issues, mostly due to burn rate.  IIRC, Herco is also one of the rare powders that benefits from Federal primers, whether in shotgun or handgun applications.     
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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2016, 11:30:06 PM »
IMR SR4756 is the best powder I have found for performance loads in 9mm without going to a specialty powder like Nobel-Vectan SP-3 or SP-8.  It will deliver performance similar to the Speer 124gr GDHP +P factory load with loads assembled with equivalent components.

6.2 gr. IMR SR 4756
124 gr. Gold Dot HP
Speer case
CCI SP primer
OAL 1.10"
LEE FCD
Nominal velocity = 1,150-1,200 fps.

If your chamber will support it, go for a longer OAL.  1.13" would be ideal, depending on the pistol. 

Starting load should be closer to 5.6 gr. IMR SR4756.

This load is pretty standard with a 115 FMJ.  With that bullet, it is approaching the +P threshold.  With the 124 gr. bullet, it is probably in excess of SAAMI standard, but well within +P safety margins.  Due to the load density and burn rate of IMR SR 4756, you would have to work hard to create a high pressure situation.  (In other words, some of the powder does not ignite under slight compression, assuming a standard SP primer.)   

An important consideration here is that the secondary characteristics are similar to the actual Speer Gold Dot 124gr. +P factory loads: recoil impulse, flash, etc. 

I've worked up loads with about every other comparable powder available, but this is the clear winner for me.  Despite its characteristics, I have never gotten the same results with Alliant Power Pistol.  It has low flash and a steady pressure curve, but I don't get the same accuracy, even after working with Power Pistol for about 15 years.   

Alliant Unique will get the job done, but it has some issues in performance 9mm due to its formulation: high chamber temperatures, soot, and higher peak pressures.  That said, I use a lot of Unique, due to its shotgun applications. 

WIN-231 is terrible for 9mm.  People like it because it meters well.  No factory defense load is using anything close to this in terms of burn rate and load density.

Thanks for the insights there. I guess my question would be if there is really any advantage in running a defense load up into near a +P range?

As my target velocity range is currently around 1100fps for the 124gr bullet, that seems pretty standard for most factory defense loads.

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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2016, 11:51:22 PM »
The 124 Gold Dot "Standard Velocity load"  is measured around 1150-60 FPS if memory serves.
I'm not saying slower wouldn't be effective,  but a TON of testing has been done with Speer 124gr GDs.  My latest info came from NRA chrono tests that I used for my load build.


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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2016, 12:25:02 AM »
For the 124 GDs,  I use 1.142-ish OALS.  I load shorter for the 124 XTPs to get the same speeds.
I corrected a previous post giving bbl length.  My SD loads were for a Sig P-236 with a 3.6" bbl.
The same 124 GD  load went to 1200 FPS with the "1" round I fired in my CZ with the longer bbl..

The GD bullet has a graceful rounded nose that will let you load long or short as the data may suggest.
The XD bullet is conical and CZs may not like that bullet loaded long enough for n340 powder.

This load data is what "I" have loaded  with n340.  Be sure to work up to a safe satisfactory load for YOU and YOUR pistol.

Others here have also said they liked n340 with 147 gr bullets for Comp. loads .  I haven't tried it.

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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2016, 08:26:57 PM »
Look at these test results!

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/


Standard Speer 124 gold dot at 1067fps. and the +P at 1141fps.

 
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Re: What would you consider the best powder for defense loads?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2016, 09:21:51 PM »
For the 124 GDs,  I use 1.142-ish OALS.  I load shorter for the 124 XTPs to get the same speeds.


I once measured a new box of Gold Dots and was surprised how wide Speer's OAL tolerance was. If I remember correctly it was about 0.010".

I think the Speer book quoted 1.130", and I seat mine at 1.140".
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