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Offline mursalot

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2016, 11:09:22 AM »
It's good to see a new competitor to the manticore transformer.

No disrespect meant to manticore at all, but other than the photo on their website is the only proof I've ever seen that it even exists and it's been there for months.  I don't think I have ever seen any out in the world at all yet.

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The manticore transformer design has been around longer than I've been in the scorpion game. I've read plenty of people fed up with waiting for a nonexistent release date. I think their priorities may be devoted to accessories for their more expensive firearm lines
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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2016, 11:23:49 AM »
It's good to see a new competitor to the manticore transformer.

No disrespect meant to manticore at all, but other than the photo on their website is the only proof I've ever seen that it even exists and it's been there for months.  I don't think I have ever seen any out in the world at all yet.

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The manticore transformer design has been around longer than I've been in the scorpion game. I've read plenty of people fed up with waiting for a nonexistent release date. I think their priorities may be devoted to accessories for their more expensive firearm lines

The extremely out of date product description that doesn't even describe it is a turn off as well. How about some specs? Is it plastic?

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2016, 12:00:32 PM »
Guys, I am as unhappy as you that we dont have the forends out yet. Some things behind the scenes happened that delayed the production. It has mothing to do with "working on more expensive parts" or anything like that.

We are working as fast as we can to get it up for sale.

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2016, 03:50:13 PM »
Guys, I am as unhappy as you that we dont have the forends out yet. Some things behind the scenes happened that delayed the production. It has mothing to do with "working on more expensive parts" or anything like that.

We are working as fast as we can to get it up for sale.

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Is the delay unknown?  No updated ETA?  As someone else stated before, your page still has info prior to NRA 2016.  It only takes a few minutes to fix that.

I'm excited about the HBi forend.  I don't need multiple forends, so whichever comes to market first that meets my needs, wins.

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2016, 08:21:09 PM »
Guys, I am as unhappy as you that we dont have the forends out yet. Some things behind the scenes happened that delayed the production. It has mothing to do with "working on more expensive parts" or anything like that.

We are working as fast as we can to get it up for sale.

Sven
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Is the delay unknown?  No updated ETA?  As someone else stated before, your page still has info prior to NRA 2016.  It only takes a few minutes to fix that.

I'm excited about the HBi forend.  I don't need multiple forends, so whichever comes to market first that meets my needs, wins.

Jason

The delay was an internal issue that has been resolved but it set us back quite a bit on the original timeline.  Believe me I would have rather been selling forends for the last three months than still not having them out- I have thousands of dollars invested in the project and would like to see us make some of that back at some point! Chips were being cut last week on forends so we should have finished product in hand (hopefully) within the next 30 days.   

Honestly I did not realize we had not updated the product description on our webpage, and I will get that taken care of- thank you for pointing that out.

Although HB Industries is a competitor, I can say that they do make some good quality stuff and no matter what forend comes out first or which you buy you will have a nice forend on your gun that will be an upgrade form the OEM one.  :)

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2016, 11:41:44 PM »
In defense of Sven/Manticore, there can be a lot more involved in bringing a new product to market that first meets the eye. It has often been said: "Quality, Speed, Cost... pick two." Manticore has a history of building quality products and when you compare their lineup to others on the market, they are certainly not the most expensive. Glad to have them as our competitor. Can't wait for Scorpion owners to finally have handguard options.
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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2016, 08:03:05 PM »
No defense needed in regard to Quality, cost or speed. 

My gripe was due to accuracy of official statement from manufacturer which Sven addressed.  If you publicly announce a products expected release and you don't follow through, expect upset customers.  That's true for all manufacturers in every industry. 

For example, building an computer operating system is complex to say the least.  If Microsoft missed a release date, they'd have upset customers.  I don't think that's disputable or unexpected.

I'm glad that Manticore Arms cares enough to respond to an upset customer.  I doubt I'd get the same from Microsoft.

Much appreciated but still a little upset,

-Jason

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2016, 12:17:10 AM »
No defense needed in regard to Quality, cost or speed. 

My gripe was due to accuracy of official statement from manufacturer which Sven addressed.  If you publicly announce a products expected release and you don't follow through, expect upset customers.  That's true for all manufacturers in every industry. 

For example, building an computer operating system is complex to say the least.  If Microsoft missed a release date, they'd have upset customers.  I don't think that's disputable or unexpected.

I'm glad that Manticore Arms cares enough to respond to an upset customer.  I doubt I'd get the same from Microsoft.

Much appreciated but still a little upset,

-Jason

One thing I would like to add is that back in the day when I had only 6-8 products, was not doing OEM work for other companies, and didn't have any distributors it was pretty easy for me as a one man show to  meet or exceed deadlines on everything, and to keep everyone up to date on every single product.

These days, with dozens of distributors, 40+ publicly known products and a lot more that people don't even know we make OEM for other companies, plus about 12 active R&D products at any one time, it is, well, a wee bit harder to give an exact ETA on every product and when it will be out.  That is in fact the reason we set up the "notify me when in stock" email on the product pages- with so many pieces in play sometimes we don't always have an accurate ETA on when something will be up for sale, and even worse, if I say "30 days out" people freak out if we don't have it out in exactly 30 days. 

In short, there are a lot of moving parts these days to keep everything moving along in a company that has grown 20 fold in size (yes, you just read that right) in only six years, and although we do our best to try to update on where things are, it just isn't always possible to do, or on rare occasion just slips through the cracks (like the updated description on the website- I have it written up and it just never got posted to the actual website).

In any case there is my explanation (or excuse if you prefer to call it that  ;)  ) of why we don't always hit the ETA on a launch date or restock date.  I hope you understand it is by no means malicious, just sometimes it happens in spite of our best efforts internally, and for what it is worth, despite the fact that my company has grown a whole lot since the first product, I do still try to personally come to the forum to answer questions and keep in touch with what people want to know or want to see from us. :)

Sven
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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2016, 01:53:13 AM »
No defense needed in regard to Quality, cost or speed. 

My gripe was due to accuracy of official statement from manufacturer which Sven addressed.  If you publicly announce a products expected release and you don't follow through, expect upset customers.  That's true for all manufacturers in every industry. 

For example, building an computer operating system is complex to say the least.  If Microsoft missed a release date, they'd have upset customers.  I don't think that's disputable or unexpected.

I'm glad that Manticore Arms cares enough to respond to an upset customer.  I doubt I'd get the same from Microsoft.

Much appreciated but still a little upset,

-Jason

One thing I would like to add is that back in the day when I had only 6-8 products, was not doing OEM work for other companies, and didn't have any distributors it was pretty easy for me as a one man show to  meet or exceed deadlines on everything, and to keep everyone up to date on every single product.

These days, with dozens of distributors, 40+ publicly known products and a lot more that people don't even know we make OEM for other companies, plus about 12 active R&D products at any one time, it is, well, a wee bit harder to give an exact ETA on every product and when it will be out.  That is in fact the reason we set up the "notify me when in stock" email on the product pages- with so many pieces in play sometimes we don't always have an accurate ETA on when something will be up for sale, and even worse, if I say "30 days out" people freak out if we don't have it out in exactly 30 days. 

In short, there are a lot of moving parts these days to keep everything moving along in a company that has grown 20 fold in size (yes, you just read that right) in only six years, and although we do our best to try to update on where things are, it just isn't always possible to do, or on rare occasion just slips through the cracks (like the updated description on the website- I have it written up and it just never got posted to the actual website).

In any case there is my explanation (or excuse if you prefer to call it that  ;)  ) of why we don't always hit the ETA on a launch date or restock date.  I hope you understand it is by no means malicious, just sometimes it happens in spite of our best efforts internally, and for what it is worth, despite the fact that my company has grown a whole lot since the first product, I do still try to personally come to the forum to answer questions and keep in touch with what people want to know or want to see from us. :)

Sven
Manticore Arms

The charging handle I got from you guys is awesome. Thanks for selling cook stuff to make our guns better. I sure as hell can't so I'm patient for these cool things to come out. Plus it gives me time to save money up to buy.

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2016, 12:21:43 PM »
Can't wait for Scorpion owners to finally have handguard options.

HBI, can you comment on what these are going to cost?

Regarding pricing, we do not have final numbers, but the target is to keep the carbine length sub $200. The carbine is the longest/most material/most operations/most machine time, therefore also the most costly to produce. This means that the pistol and micro lengths will be less expensive than the carbine. They all use the same trunnion mount block and hardware and packaging, it?s just batch machine time to run production qtys that we are trying to nail down at this point. As soon as we have final numbers I will be sure that we get our webstore updated and will post in this thread as well.

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2016, 03:44:37 PM »
What ever happened to the yeti wurks handguard?  :-X

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM »
He's done other projects since with no update to the handguard, so I assume he's passed it over. 

Jason


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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2016, 07:33:07 PM »
That micro handguard is calling out to me. That plus the manticore sliding stock is too perfect.

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2016, 11:59:39 PM »
So.... does anyone have a line on a Scorp barrel? I have been trying to get in contact with CZ USA but no response. I will have that K set up.

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Re: HBi foregrip/handguard
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2016, 01:52:57 AM »
So.... does anyone have a line on a Scorp barrel? I have been trying to get in contact with CZ USA but no response. I will have that K set up.

If you're looking for cz usa to make a shorter barrel than their standard pistol length to support an aftermarket product...forget about it. You're better off sending your own barrel to get snipped and circumcised. HBI had a spec sheet for the pistol length barrel dimensions recommended for their k stock. It's a pdf file floating around somewhere in cyberspace.  HBI themselves said they may produce the barrels if there is a demand.

CZ USA is so concentrated on get a scorpion in everyone's hands, that there really isn't priority for spare parts at this time. Especially major parts such as the barrel since this is the one piece that takes the most amount of time to produce for the entire firearm.

You could go to the classified section here and ask if anyone who has installed a cz custom barrel is willing to part with their factory barrel.
2 things you never want to hear when you pull the trigger:

"click" when you expect it to go "bang" and

"bang" when you expect it to go "click"