Pros and Cons: Rami Decocker vs Rami Safety Model

[philco]

"Cocked and locked" would indicate the pistol was fully cocked (hammer all the was back) with the safety engaged.  A decocker model does not have a safety.  The safety can only be engaged on the safety model when the hammer is all the way back.  At half cock, the safety will not move.

[Sergiodpk]

I believe the decocker model is more user friendly, especially for novice shooters, since you have the lever to decock the hammer safely. Instead of trusting your thumb not to slip off the hammer. Yes the safety model adds one more option for carry, but carried cocked and locked takes lots more training to get that instinctive awareness to release the safety during a stressful situation. I guess 1911 guys shouldn't have a problem with it. Either gun is awesome tho.

[kkborre]

I believe the decocker model is more user friendly, especially for novice shooters, since you have the lever to decock the hammer safely. Instead of trusting your thumb not to slip off the hammer. Yes the safety model adds one more option for carry, but carried cocked and locked takes lots more training to get that instinctive awareness to release the safety during a stressful situation. I guess 1911 guys shouldn't have a problem with it.

That's why I like the decocker; I don't have to think about switching the safety off under stressful conditions.  That being said, I'm thinking about getting a Sig P238 with a safety.  I hope switching from one to the other doesn't turn out to be a problem.

[SteveR2013]

That being said, I'm thinking about getting a Sig P238 with a safety.  I hope switching from one to the other doesn't turn out to be a problem.

Shouldn't be a problem, if you practice. Depending on circumstances I carry either the RAMI BD or a Sig P938. When I started shooting in minor competition I alternated between a 1911 and a double action revolver so learned to think what I was shooting.

[MeatAxe]

Yeah, I'm not crazy about the idea of carrying cocked and locked without a grip safety, and even then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adhl6-C5t3s

I don't foresee myself getting into John Wesley Hardin style quick draw contest, so the extra margin of safety in a stressful situation, even with my finger on the trigger coming from a DA (or more accurately half-cock) first pull seems like a good margin of safety not to pop off with a wild first shot or struggle taking the safety off.

[Hibmep]

SteveR2013, I see you have both a Sig P938 and a CX RAMI. I have a P938 and am thinking I need a RAMI. Any opinions, since you have both? Thanks from another Steve in AZ   HIBMEP

[SteveR2013]

I see you have both a Sig P938 and a CX RAMI. I have a P938 and am thinking I need a RAMI. Any opinions, since you have both? Thanks from another Steve in AZ   HIBMEP

I really like both. I shoot the RAMI better than the P938 - probably a result of sight radius. The P938 is easier to carry. I live in Wisconsin so we have seasons!!! The RAMI tends to be my Winter carry, and the P938 Summer carry. Both pistols have eaten anything fed to them, including cheap steel case ammo. If push came to shove I would keep the RAMI over the P938, but it would be a hard decision.
Good luck finding a RAMI BD. I had to wait for 6 months to get mine. Safety versions seem to be easier to find.
Hope this helps from one Steve to another 

[Tok36]

For me, it reduces the length of the heavy trigger pull.  It does not reduce the weight of the pull but makes it shorter. I also like that I can carry it cocked and locked without having to remember to drop the safety before pulling the trigger.

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How do you carry cocked and locked on a decocker version?

Probably used the wrong terminology. I chamber a round and drop the hammer using the device. Not locked like a safety but safe to carry.

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It is referred to as "decocked" i believe. A CZ decocker with the hammer at the half-cock position is decocked.

[Meechy7648]

I see you have both a Sig P938 and a CX RAMI. I have a P938 and am thinking I need a RAMI. Any opinions, since you have both? Thanks from another Steve in AZ   HIBMEP

I really like both. I shoot the RAMI better than the P938 - probably a result of sight radius. The P938 is easier to carry. I live in Wisconsin so we have seasons!!! The RAMI tends to be my Winter carry, and the P938 Summer carry. Both pistols have eaten anything fed to them, including cheap steel case ammo. If push came to shove I would keep the RAMI over the P938, but it would be a hard decision.
Good luck finding a RAMI BD. I had to wait for 6 months to get mine. Safety versions seem to be easier to find.
Hope this helps from one Steve to another 

One more who has experience with both.  I just traded my P938 for a RAMI BD a week ago.  It was a hard decision because I love the P938.  I've been flirting with getting a RAMI for 3 yrs.  The opportunity presented itself, I thought about it for a few minutes and decided to do it.  I have no regrets.  I love the RAMI's balance (it's a porky little pistol, though... LOL) and it's very accurate, as was the P938.  I simply traded for more rounds, which was my objective (hell, I live in Chicago!    )
I would buy another P938 without hesitation but I wouldn't let the RAMI go to do it.

[slikshoes]

One more who has experience with both.  I just traded my P938 for a RAMI BD a week ago.  It was a hard decision because I love the P938.  I've been flirting with getting a RAMI for 3 yrs.  The opportunity presented itself, I thought about it for a few minutes and decided to do it.  I have no regrets.  I love the RAMI's balance (it's a porky little pistol, though... LOL) and it's very accurate, as was the P938.  I simply traded for more rounds, which was my objective (hell, I live in Chicago!    )
I would buy another P938 without hesitation but I wouldn't let the RAMI go to do it.

Funny you mention this, since I have been toying w/ the idea of trading in my RAMI BD (well ... my wife's RAMI) for a P938.  I just can't get over having to futz around w/ a safety though.

[Meechy7648]

One more who has experience with both.  I just traded my P938 for a RAMI BD a week ago.  It was a hard decision because I love the P938.  I've been flirting with getting a RAMI for 3 yrs.  The opportunity presented itself, I thought about it for a few minutes and decided to do it.  I have no regrets.  I love the RAMI's balance (it's a porky little pistol, though... LOL) and it's very accurate, as was the P938.  I simply traded for more rounds, which was my objective (hell, I live in Chicago!    )
I would buy another P938 without hesitation but I wouldn't let the RAMI go to do it.

Funny you mention this, since I have been toying w/ the idea of trading in my RAMI BD (well ... my wife's RAMI) for a P938.  I just can't get over having to futz around w/ a safety though.

It's easier than you think, with practice.  Once you get used to it you forget all about it, honestly.  (Just keep practicing!)  I started with DA/SA (CZ P-01) and Sig P-series (several) and 3rd gen Smiths.  The P938 was the first safety gun that I intended to carry so I was really nervous about it (what's funny is my brother started with a safety and was worried about carrying a decocker).  I wouldn't give my RAMI up but I doubt you regret it if that's what you want.  It's a GREAT carry pistol, very flexible.

[MeatAxe]

The Rami BD and the SIG 938 are both great guns...sub-compact vs. sub-sub compact, the 938 is obviously a lot more concealable and easier to carry, the Rami gives you twice the firepower in a sub compact, but is still a bit of a chunk to carry.

Both have been reliable and accurate for me, bear in mind, though, that SIG has had a lot of quality control issues over the last few years. The 938 had several bugs initially, but I believe they have been sorted out in new production guns. The most disturbing is that the 938's recoil spring guide rod assembly has been known to unscrew itself and separate during shooting (flinging the rod out the front of the pistol), so that's something to watch.

Since SIG churns out about 500,000 guns a year, quality can be hit or miss compared to CZ. You read on the SIG forums that it's not uncommon to have to send new 938s back to the factory for tweeking or total replacement.

[Meechy7648]

The Rami BD and the SIG 938 are both great guns...sub-compact vs. sub-sub compact, the 938 is obviously a lot more concealable and easier to carry, the Rami gives you twice the firepower in a sub compact, but is still a bit of a chunk to carry.

Both have been reliable and accurate for me, bear in mind, though, that SIG has had a lot of quality control issues over the last few years. The 938 had several bugs initially, but I believe they have been sorted out in new production guns. The most disturbing is that the 938's recoil spring guide rod assembly has been known to unscrew itself and separate during shooting (flinging the rod out the front of the pistol), so that's something to watch.

Since SIG churns out about 500,000 guns a year, quality can be hit or miss compared to CZ. You read on the SIG forums that it's not uncommon to have to send new 938s back to the factory for tweeking or total replacement.

I'm on SigTalk forum every day and needless to say I've seen the complaints. I worried about it needlessly; I didn't have a single failure of any sort. Since they have the new mainspring housing I've noticed that the complaints are way down (the complaint of the day is now the finish on the Legion...  LOL).

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[MeatAxe]

The Rami BD and the SIG 938 are both great guns...sub-compact vs. sub-sub compact, the 938 is obviously a lot more concealable and easier to carry, the Rami gives you twice the firepower in a sub compact, but is still a bit of a chunk to carry.

Both have been reliable and accurate for me, bear in mind, though, that SIG has had a lot of quality control issues over the last few years. The 938 had several bugs initially, but I believe they have been sorted out in new production guns. The most disturbing is that the 938's recoil spring guide rod assembly has been known to unscrew itself and separate during shooting (flinging the rod out the front of the pistol), so that's something to watch.

Since SIG churns out about 500,000 guns a year, quality can be hit or miss compared to CZ. You read on the SIG forums that it's not uncommon to have to send new 938s back to the factory for tweeking or total replacement.

I'm on SigTalk forum every day and needless to say I've seen the complaints. I worried about it needlessly; I didn't have a single failure of any sort. Since they have the new mainspring housing I've noticed that the complaints are way down (the complaint of the day is now the finish on the Legion...  LOL).

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Well, having had a bad experience with a badly machined "custom shop" P239 a few years ago and a lot of aggravation from SIG "customer service" (whose favorite phrase at that time was "shooter error") I was reluctant to try another SIG, even though I had had good look with West German and early NH Sigs previously. The good thing about that was that as I was getting turned off to SIGs, I got turned on to CZs which, IMO are superior to SIGs across the board.

So I waited a few years until they de-bugged the earlier 938 (MSH, guide rod, etc.). I think the 938s mfg. after July '15 got all the upgrades. Fortunately, the 938 I got has been flawless and a pleasant surprise, so hopefully my karma will hold up with this gun.

[TNman]

I sold my P938 because it was just too small for my hand. I recently bought a CZ RAMI BD 9mm and it is head-and-shoulders better than the Sig. However, I found I am not a fan of a DA/SA trigger. Have shot 175 rounds and decided to sell it. Great pistol but I prefer SAO or striker fire triggers.

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