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Offline 401water

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CZ 24 with low serial number
« on: September 11, 2016, 09:24:38 AM »
I was lucky and picked  up a very early serial number matching CZ 24 .. serial number 2976 .. see pic.. last week.  I know from research that the Czeck government approve the  CZ24 design by August of 1925 and production soon started after that. The first government order for 20,000 CZ.24 pistols was completed in June of 1926.  According to Berger, by the end of 1929 a full 100,000 pistols had been delivered to fulfill additional government contracts.

 The gun's condition is very good, however the one piece grip is a little rough. Does anybody know any more info on these early serial number pistols and where I can acquire a original grip to replace the one that I have now? 

Tks

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Offline gwvt

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 10:59:55 AM »
Nice, that's definitely an early one. I think original grips are rare but you can get new ones like them here:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/CZ-33195/AutoPistols-35899/24-34923.htm?page=2

If you need springs, these guys have them.
https://www.buymilsurp.com/pistol-parts-accessories-czech-cz24-cz27-pistols-c-3546_10219.html

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 11:16:29 AM »
Congratulations and very nice. My 24 is from 1926 (26000ish serial number). Good luck finding a replacement grip. I've seen them pop up on Gunbroker before but they weren't cheap.

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2016, 08:49:59 PM »
Hi,

I found this link that might be what you're looking for -

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ad/1478460.htm

The walnut grip shown in the picture looks pretty good.

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2016, 09:48:13 AM »
The vz. 24 is most commonly found from that early batch and the next few years, and from another batch made as tension ramped up in Europe, just before the change to the vz. 38. It is basically identical to the earlier vz. 22 except with less hand fitting (and therefore, more attention to interchangeable parts) and more stamped parts.

Berger's book is very good, but dated and out of print; copies cost as much as some of the pistols. (I'm working on a book on Czech and Czechoslovak pistols that will be more comprehensive, and available as an e-book). Ed Buffaloe's Unblinking Eye website is excellent on early Czechoslovak pistols. Here's his vz.24 page.

http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/VZ24/vz24.html

vz. 24 grips are ugly even when they're in perfect shape, compared to the checkered one on the vz. 22. But that's the way they made 'em.

Be aware that replacing the original grip (or original anything else) on a vz. 24, or any other collector pistol, has the potential of diminishing its collector value. If you want a set of nicer, newer grips, that's fine (it's your gun after all), but you'd be well advised to keep the old grips with it, for your benefit or that of your heirs when it's time for it to go.

Buffaloe notes that early vz.24s may have the checkered grip of the vz.22. Yours has a doubtless original smooth grip, and Czech-language sources seem to list it as one of the changes. The checkering came from the pistol's ancestry as a Josef Nickl Mauser design based on the 1914 7.65 mm (which was based on the 1910). He did this exact gun as a 9 x 19 mm service pistol for Mauser in 1916, but Mauser passed on it, and he scaled it down for the Czechoslovak requirement when he was assisting them in getting CZ running as a rifle factory using Mauser tooling. Nickl made dozens of prototypes for Mauser, where he worked for decades, but his most produced firearm is that vz. 24!

The unusual two-switch safety (one applies it, and one with a different motion releases it) came from Mauser, and was originally on a 1906 prototype of a pistol with magazine in front of the trigger, meant to replace the C96 Broomhandle. Nickl may have worked on that design alongside other Mauser craftsmen and engineers. (At the Mauser-werke, unlike many other gun manufacturers, everything was a team effort and they weren't much into individual credit).

Your pistol may be unit marked, usually on the foregrip. It may not be. (I have one with no marks, and one with two unit marks, one crossed out!) The Buffaloe link explains how to read the marks; the code letters most often seen are P for Infantry, or D for artillery. I believe (without looking at my references) that this was a list from Austro-Hungarian practice, just with Czech rather than German language abbreviations.

The mark on yours is interesting with CZ (up arrow) 25. This is an acceptance mark of some kind. More commonly these are seen with a military acceptance mark or a proof mark (seldom both on the same gun, but it happens, as when a gun was disposed by the military and re-proofed for civilian sale). Buffaloe shows the military mark, the Czech two-tailed lion and year. Some vz.24 rifles made at the same time have a large version of the lion on the receiver ring (earlier vz.22 rifles just say "Czechoslovak State Armory, Brno" on the receiver ring in Czech).

The civilian proof marks of that time would have been year, symbol, sequence number, following Austro-Hungarian practice.

Your pistol should be marked "Czech Armory Inc. in Prague" in Czech on the sight rib, and even on one as early as yours it should have a double-tailed lion there. I'd be interested in hearing if it doesn't; it may have been a private sale gun, as military and police guns all were supposed to get the lion. (The guns were made in Brno, but company HQ was in Prague. The marking usually but not always kept saying Prague even when guns were made, later, in Strakonice).
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My CZs: CZ-75 P-01-CGW trigger 2015; CZ-75 1987; CZ-UB Z Pistol 1956 (Duo); Dušek "JAGA" (export Duo) c. 1938; CZ 70, 52s, 50, 45, 36, 24; Alois Tomiška "Little Tom" (.32 and .25), Praga 7.65.

Offline 401water

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2016, 06:50:07 AM »
Thanks so much for the additional info on my CZ24!

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2016, 05:08:04 PM »
If you replace your wood grips, I'm interested in buying the old ones if they're remotely useable. My poor CZ 24 came to me with poorly fitting homemade plexiglass grips that look awful. It originally had wood, but they're long gone.  In any case, congratulations on your nice find!
CZ 24 x2
CZ 27
CZ 52 x2
VZ 61 x2
CZ 70 x2
CZ 75 Pre B
CZ 82 x3
CZ 83 x2

Offline Litomysl94

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Re: CZ 24 with low serial number
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2016, 09:12:55 AM »
"When" and "If" you sell, I'd love to see what you've got and what you'd be asking for them.