Red Dot sight for EDC ??

[DOC 1500]

I have a P-07 Gen 2 it's my EDC and I'm thinking of putting a red dot sight on this pistol.
Does anybody have a red dot sight on their carry gun.
If you do , which one did you put on your gun, and why ? how is it mounted, what is the smallest Red Dot sight you can put on a carry pistol ,which ones are the best. Is it even a good idea to put a red dot sight on a carry gun.
From anyone's "experience " what are the good and bad points of doing so and is it recommended for an  IWB holster like Alien Gear.
Thank you for your replies in advance.

[C.Helm]

I have RMR's on my glock 19 and 17 carry guns.  I've had them set up like this for 4 years. Never had a problem carried it year 'round dress clothes and farm clothes on the tractor.

I've never had one on a CZ though but I'm sure its great.

[LonChaney]

RMR rm01 on my P07.



Also have an RM06 on my Sig 229.

Mark Housel did the work. It's milled into the slide. The most common issue with the RMR is the battery suffering from intermittent contact and causing a loss of the dot b/t shots. A piece of electrical tape on the battery fixes this.

The deltapoint and the RMR are the 2 best sights to use. I prefer the RMR since it's more rugged, in my opinion. I carry AIWB with a holster from JM Custom Kydex.

[s0nspark]

RMR rm01 on my P07.

Also have an RM06 on my Sig 229.

Mark Housel did the work. It's milled into the slide. The most common issue with the RMR is the battery suffering from intermittent contact and causing a loss of the dot b/t shots. A piece of electrical tape on the battery fixes this.

The deltapoint and the RMR are the 2 best sights to use. I prefer the RMR since it's more rugged, in my opinion. I carry AIWB with a holster from JM Custom Kydex.

I have an almost identical setup for carry except I went with the RMR07 ... and my gun is a UG P-07.

No issues with concealment carrying AIWB with a Surefire X300U-B in a T. Rex Arms Raptor holster (my first non-JMCK holster... I wanted something with a wing and Tony did not offer that at the time...)



The only issue I have is that the sights Mark put on my P-07 seem to require a 6 o'clock hold but I am meeting up with him in a few weeks to get that sorted out.

[Froggy]

Is it even a good idea to put a red dot sight on a carry gun.

I dont CC so I am not expert but IMO, EDC implies defence, hence very short distances. At 3/5 meters I'd defence shoot using just the slide, not the sights . With a bit of practice double tap to the center mass, which after all is all you need to be achieve,  is easily done and I'd guess even faster than a red dot.
Just my 2 ?uro cents.

[C.Helm]

Froggy,
as you said, you don't ccw.  No offence but until you do you will not understand the benefit of the RMR.

Up close is point shooting with any pistol.  If your in a bad situation and need to stop and aim with anything your not going to fare too well. 
RMR is there to help with longer shots or if like me as your eyes age a bit the front site is a touch fuzzy and glasses won't bring the target and sights to the same focus.

Also center of mass may not always stop an attacker fast enough shoot for the head.  If doubt learn to shoot better!

[s0nspark]

Froggy,
as you said, you don't ccw.  No offence but until you do you will not understand the benefit of the RMR.

Up close is point shooting with any pistol.  If your in a bad situation and need to stop and aim with anything your not going to fare too well. 
RMR is there to help with longer shots or if like me as your eyes age a bit the front site is a touch fuzzy and glasses won't bring the target and sights to the same focus.

Also center of mass may not always stop an attacker fast enough shoot for the head.  If doubt learn to shoot better!

I find that with proper technique the RMR is a LOT faster to pick up and accuracy  is improved dramatically at any distance.

Also, the idea that threats are going to be 3-5 yards away is rather overstated. (Look into Tom Givens' stats.) Close may be common but you should absolutely be prepared to take shots out to 20 yards and beyond.

[Raining_Brass]

We've milled a ton of 07/09 slides for guys that EDC them. Smallest optic you can probably get your hands on is the J Point or Shield Mini Sight. You really can't go wrong with any of the popular reflex sights out there. I've handled and shot dozens of guns with all of them and from my experience nothing makes an RMR for example any more durable than Fastfire III's and so on. I've seen RMR's fail the first range trip and know of Fastfire III's on slides we've milled for customers well beyond the 15k round point.
They all can fail, and none are any less suspetable than the others from what we've seen. Deltapoint Pro's from what we've seen are by far the most durable and least prone to failure, however, they are far from cheap as well as bulky and heavy.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Here's just a few we've done:

[Froggy]

Also center of mass may not always stop an attacker
Agree,  but that still when my 2 first shoots would go.

No offence but...
None taken what-so-ever - One of the beauty of forums is to learn from the feed-back of more experienced people than me - So I very much appreciate your comments 

[oldfrank]

Our spin off of IDPA (GADPA) allows slide mounted red dots in the CCW division and also in the cCompetition division.
On our Thursday night indoor matches it is near impossible to beat the red dot shooters who are good shooters with open sights. Fast target acquisition is evident.

We have one senior shooter, my age, and I soundly beat him every time he shoots an iron sighted gun but rarely can I do it when he shoots his M&P with a delta Point.

I think it is becoming more common for CCW.

[Raining_Brass]

Our spin off of IDPA (GADPA) allows slide mounted red dots in the CCW division and also in the cCompetition division.
On our Thursday night indoor matches it is near impossible to beat the red dot shooters who are good shooters with open sights. Fast target acquisition is evident.

We have one senior shooter, my age, and I soundly beat him every time he shoots an iron sighted gun but rarely can I do it when he shoots his M&P with a delta Point.

I think it is becoming more common for CCW.
 

It certainly is. This is evident by how many holster companies out there are catching on and offering holsters that accept taller sights and cut outs for optics.

[DOC 1500]

Raining brass, can the RMR'S be put into the factory dovetail on the slide? Or any of the others for that matter?

[LonChaney]

Raining brass, can the RMR'S be put into the factory dovetail on the slide? Or any of the others for that matter?

Yes. Depends on the pistol. There are several options for mounting directly to the factory dovetail.

[LonChaney]

Springer Precision, Trijicon, Raven Concealment and Dueck Defense all offer dovetail mounts, IIRC.

[Raining_Brass]

Raining brass, can the RMR'S be put into the factory dovetail on the slide? Or any of the others for that matter?

If you want to go the dovetail mount route, yes.